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| My little FZ8 review |
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Posted by: celticbiker - 18-01-18, 08:13 PM - Forum: Fazer 8 / FZ8
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Well it's a year since I got the Fazer and I've covered 22000 miles so thought I'd give it a little review.
Given my usage of this or any other bike then consumables are quite high on the priority list of cost.
Tyres being the biggest cost in terms of outlay are always a concern, I once had a bike with such a bad balance and damping setup that it would use a rear tyre in 3500 miles. Fortunatly the Fazer is a bit better than that, I've used 1 full set of PR4's a set of PP3's and half a set of PR3's. The reason for the longevity though (I think) is partly down to the basic modern chassis design and technology and partly due to the suspension upgrades (more about that later) allowing more of the tyre to be used without excessive squaring off. You see, I have this theory that tyre design and bike design go hand in hand. While modern tyres are stickier and give a better ride, older bikes tend to tear up the centre regardless of how you ride but stick an Avon roadrunner (remember those?) on and you'll get 10000 miles out of it, not because it was hard but because they were designed to work with the bikes of the time.
Next up is brakes. Most reiews will tell you how good the brakes are and how you can stand it on the front wheel with 2 fingers but how often do you find the need to do that? For me brakes aren’t about stopping power, that is taken as read, it’s what they are designed to do and within reason there’s not a huge difference between manufacturers standard setups. You can however change the way the brakes behave by choosing the correct pads to suit your requirements and riding style.
When I got the bike the brakes were useless but it turned out that the pistons were sticky, and as it happened I had a half used set of Goldfren pads (same ones as the tdm) lying around so I put those in. To save a lot of writing I’ve done a little chart of on a scale from 1 to 10.
Bite Braking efficiency Fade Longevity Price
Goldren 5 7 3 6 £23
Carbon Lorraine 7 8 2 5 £61
EBC 8 7 5 5 £40
If you plan ahead or ride in the rain then you don’t need or want that snappy bite, in heavy rain it could see you locking the front in an emergency, for that reason I choose to use the the Goldfren. They’ve got a bit less initial bite but in the wet that allows a bit more time to get that weight transferred to the front before you start the slowing process. Without doubt the others will stop you quicker in the wet and the dry but in the real world given the price difference it’s not worth worrying about.
You can’t talk about consumables without mentioning the dreaded chain and sprockets. Most people I know have owned bikes their entire adult lives and never replaced either because they sell or trade their bikes with 10000 or less miles on them. If you own a bike for long enough though you will end up doing this job and cost aside, the actual job itself needs to be considered.
Believe it or not it is something that I look at and research before buying a bike. Mostly the principal is the same but there are some model specific peculiarities out there. For example the Triumph Daytona (iirc) has to have the oil drained because you have to remove a crankcase cover to get at the front sprocket.
The Fazer is actually quite easy and with the front sprocket nut being staked on it saves the hassle of a tab washer although the front sprocket and output shaft splines are the same as the tdm 900 so you could add one if you wanted to.
As a preference I use DID gold and black XVM and renthal sprockets they can be had for £118ish and easily las me 12 months, I only change them then because I want to, I’ve seen 35000 miles from this set up before so 25000 is well within limits of wear.
Now back to tyre wear via the suspension upgrades. It’s no secret that the suspension on the Fazer 8 was God awful, it’s well documented on the web and elsewhere so the first job was to replace the rear shock then find a reasonable solution for the front.
The rear shock was a no brainer, having used Nitron before they were always going to be used again, without writing a full review here suffice it to say that they are a superb unit at a reasonable price with good adjustability.
The front was another matter though. Having used Race tech gold valves in a previous bike I was going to use them in this on as they do a good job but they do have their limitations.
The problem is that you have to dismantle the forks and remove them to make any changes. While it’s doable it’s still a pain in the ar5e [filtered], especially if like me you ride in the rain or the cold and want to make adjustments on the fly as it were.
As standard the FZ8 and Fazer 8 originally came with no adjustments up front so rather than just replace the springs I thought I’d look for a complete upgrade option.
First place I looked was Nitron to see if they had anything to match the rear and they did but at the best part of £800 even I had to wonder whether it was worth it but with a little research I found a company called Omnia racing and they were selling a full cartridge and spring kit with compression rebound and preload adjustment for £450 so in they went. I'll write a suspension review and link it here later.
Now back to the tyres. Having put decent suspension on the bike it meant the tyres actually stayed on the road most of the time which brings other benefits apart from better handling. One thing that most people don’t consider is prolonged chain and sprocket life. Because the tyre tracks the road over bumps you don't get the shock loading to the drive train thus mostly eliminating sprocket hooking and uneven chain wear. The main benefit though is tyre life. In a large part it’s for the same reasons as the reduced chain wear but there is something else too. You can make adjustments to the damping and effect tyre wear in a very short time frame. If the rear is squaring off then back off the compression a bit ride a few twisty roads (100 ish miles) and bring it back to profile, same up front, if it’s getting a little peaky add a bit of compression and within 100 ish miles it’ll come back to profile. In this way you can use the tyre for much longer than you normally would be able to even though there is lots of tread left on it..
Reliability wise I’ve had a starter relay wear out (£6) and a wheel sensor break which is being replaced under the lifetime warranty.
Another consumable I forgot to mention is oil. The change intervals are the normal 6000 miles but it only takes 2.9L and 3.1 with a filter so keeping costs down there too.
That’s about it for now but any questions or comments feel free to ask.
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| Fuel economy |
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Posted by: Keith7994 - 18-01-18, 07:53 PM - Forum: Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner
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Hi I have just purchased my first fz1 on a 2008 took it out on its first run and seems to be very thirsty on the fuel is it just the size of the fuel tank or is there anything I should be looking into that maybe a common problem cheers
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| Tall rider… 2000 FZS600 |
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Posted by: TooTall - 18-01-18, 12:08 AM - Forum: FZS600 Fazer
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Hi,
Firstly apologises if this is the wrong place to post this or if this has been asked before and I’ve missed it. I did have a good look in the FAQ section.
I am going to view a 2000 FZS600 in the next week or so. I am 6’5” tall and just want to ask on here if anyone has any advice or experiences of a rider of my height on this bike. It’s a far drive away and don’t want to waste my time if I am just simply too tall for it.
Any thoughts would be appreciated - including if anyone has any ideas on modifications such as raising the handle bars or lowering footpegs to make it more comfortable for the taller, more normal size people.
Cheers.
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| Newbie needs a little help |
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Posted by: Staryarm - 17-01-18, 11:54 PM - Forum: Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner
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So I bought my first fzs1000 last week and love it but there seams to be a flat spot in power. I beleve this could be improved with the ivans jet kit. If got a delkevic can on there but that's it.
My big question, anyone around the Barnsley area that could help me with the jets as iv never done this before or even send the carbs to someone and if so a rough idea on cost.
Thanks for your time guys
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| Bmw s1000xr |
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Posted by: kitcrazy - 17-01-18, 09:03 PM - Forum: General
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Had a test ride on the xr yesterday 3 hour test and what a bike never fancied a Beemer but this thing is amazing 165bhp fast as fuk electronic suspension is unbelievable and up and down shifter is like butter. 15k is a lot for a bike but I think it's worth it. Made me realise how much bikes have moved on :eek
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| Fazer pushed over....gutted! |
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Posted by: mrMoog - 17-01-18, 07:37 PM - Forum: General
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Monday is bad enough as it is this time of year but was made a whole lot worse when my bike was purposely pushed over whilst parked outside my office window. Long story short. A carer was walking back to his car with a client, the client pushed my bike over stating that it was in his way. I rush out ready to knock 10 bells out of them both effing and jeffing. The carer was very apologetic, the client is down syndrome.......my heart sank, I took a deep breath and asked the carer for full details. The downs fella has public liability insurance but unfortunately will not cover all damage to the bike as it will cost more to repair than what the book price of the bike is worth. It's looking like I will have to put up with a ding in the tank and exhaust. Upper fairing will be replaced as will indicator, bar end and break lever. Rear fairing is being De-stickered, buffed and new stickers added. Crash bung won't be replaced either.
She's a right mess, like I said....gutted:-(
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| Gender fluid...! |
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Posted by: Flooky - 16-01-18, 07:21 PM - Forum: General
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WTF ???
beam me up scotty :eek
I cant believe all this shit about being a man or a woman or neither.. maybe I am too old for this world
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| Front fender replacement |
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Posted by: Nemesis - 15-01-18, 09:57 PM - Forum: Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner
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Any Foccers changed their front fender or mud guard what ever yer want to call it with after market or stock, ive managed to crack both sides using disc locks. just wondering on the price of both appreciate any all replies, newbie error :rolleyes
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