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FZS600 Fazer / Re: pressure plate problem
« on: 25 October 2012, 11:27:10 pm »
Any chance you could post a picture of the part in question?
 

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I have the META 357T V2 fitted to all my bikes and never had a problem, after 10 days they go into sleep mode and do not drain anything from the battery. I fitted all three myself and any I come across that were giving trouble was always due to poor fitting and poor quality connectors, even ones supposedly fitted by experts. Whereas all the CAT 1 types are good, the easiest one to live with is the META.  I did a lot of research prior to purchasing my first meta 8 years ago. For peace of mind fit one and if you do fit it yourself take your time fitting it and route the wires cleanly, soldering joints and making full use of Heat Shrink tubing where ever possible. The oldest one I have which was fitted in 2004 and is still in everday use. I have never had anyone come back to me with problems from any of the ones I have fitted other than batteries for the remote controls.
However do not depend on the alarm alone, it is only a noisy deterent. Nothing will stop a determined thief, the idea is to move them on to an easier target.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: some-one enlighten me please
« on: 19 October 2012, 11:53:12 pm »
The 400 was the begining of the fazers and was built for the Japanese home market in 1997 and 1998. The model code was 4yr and many of the 600 parts begin with 4yr. It put out 53hp at the crank
The 600 was derived from it and was in production from 1998 to 2003 with an update in 2000 and a further update in 2002. It has 95hp at the crank.
The 1000 was an addition to the theme and was in production from 2001 to 2005 with the detuned R1 engine with 143hp at the crank
I happen to have one of each in my garage. The big difference in looks with the 400 is that it has Brembo front brakes, a seat strap, no grab rail and no centre stand.
The 400 is a lovely little bike to drive with a power band at 9000 revs compared to the 600 at 7000rpm, never noticed one on the 1000 it just pulls like a train. Oddly enough even though the 400 looks identical to the eary 600 it feels much lighter.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: wheel bearings
« on: 19 October 2012, 11:31:43 pm »
Yes you are correct, my post should have said to push out the left side first as it has less distance to travel and push in the right first.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket issues again
« on: 11 October 2012, 10:15:15 pm »
Finally recieved a reply from Danfay, they have offered to give all the parts I require to replace the shaft at half price.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: wheel bearings
« on: 10 October 2012, 08:46:12 pm »
 Just to add to what markbubble recommends, ensure the pair of bearings have rubber seals and are C3 spec. The full bearing number for the front wheel is 6203/C3 RS, this is the middle range of bearing clearance and can cope with all heat and vibration levels in motorcycle wheels. Generally, internal clearances are designated from C1 (the tightest) through to C5 (the loosest or largest).
 With the spacer pushed aside there is only about 1 or 2 mm of space to use for pushing out the bearing. Work on opposite sides of the bearing by pushing the space to alternatively left and right and so on until the bearing falls out. Push out the righthand bearing first as it will push out the seal with it.
 When refitting the bearings fit the righthand side first snug up against the internal wheel lip. When driving the left one home take not to drive it in to far as the fazer wheels have a bit of room left between the bearing and the wheel lip. If you drive it into the lip you will not be able to rotate the bearings by putting your fingers in to turn them as the outer race will be pushed to tight against the ball in the bearing. You should be able to turn the bearings with your finger jammed in the axel hole. When driving in the bearing the sound will change when the internal race meets the spacer, stop driving. Don’t forget to put in the spacer before fitting the left hand side bearing can be easily forgotten.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket issues again
« on: 03 October 2012, 07:51:39 pm »
Frgot to add in the previous post that he put a rubber washer between the sprocket and the tabwasher

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front Sprocket
« on: 03 October 2012, 07:48:19 pm »

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket nut :(
« on: 03 October 2012, 07:47:15 pm »

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Well, it's never done that before...
« on: 02 October 2012, 05:53:25 pm »
Glad to hear it is sorted easily.
Happy riding
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Well, it's never done that before...
« on: 02 October 2012, 10:18:41 am »
Fazerrider,
Have to agree with you on the diagram issue. I to have spent years reading electrical diagrams in the telecommunications and IT industry and have to reset my brain when reading motorcycle wiring diagrams.
One of the best places to start is disconnect all the connectors in the box under the tank spray them with WD40 and reconnect them. This is the first thing I do when I get a fazer with electricl issues, it has solved 7 out of 10 of the problems .I have seen cases of broken earths causing strange problems and it is a likely case.
Since you are familiar with electrics remove the Orange and Grey wires from the coils and with the iginition on (and kill switch on) and spark plug earthed against the engine tap the wires off an earth and the plug/plugs should spark. Thay rules out the coils. The only thing common after that is the CDI.
It may be a CDI issues as His Dudeness suggested as it is common to all, but why a bump should cause it is strange as it is mounted on plastic and rubber. I have never heard of one fail, but there is always a first time.
As far as I remember the 02-03 one is a different part number to the 98-99 one, but there are available on ebay.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Well, it's never done that before...
« on: 01 October 2012, 10:37:52 pm »
Rubber gasket obviously not what I wrote, to much distraction here with one playing a guitar and the other a violin
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Well, it's never done that before...
« on: 01 October 2012, 10:35:42 pm »
Not necessarily as some of the cutouts have bypasses. eg neutral switch  bypasses the side stand switch, and clutch switch bypasses neutral switch. etc.
Forgot to mention the Cam cover is insulated from the engine with rupper gasket and rubber seals on the cam cover bolts so there would be no spark there.
The fact is stopped dead is definitely electrical. It could even be a dogy ignition switch as it has 8 connectors within and at 146k it would be well worn. One contact of the ignition switch powers the speedo via the backup fuse which in turn connects to the speed sensor which has a connection to the pick up coil and TPS

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Well, it's never done that before...
« on: 01 October 2012, 07:45:40 pm »
Most definitely electrical.
The pick up would be highly unsual but not beyonds the bounds of posability
Did you check the all the fuses including the backup one and all the connection under the tank?
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dealer Servicing
« on: 01 October 2012, 07:36:25 pm »
 If you can do the basic servicing yourself then what you have mentioned is not beyond your ability.
 It can be a good idea to take a few pictures before you start to ensure all goes back together the same way. J.
 I take it you have a Haynes Manual and downloaded the Yamaha service manual from the downloads section.
 I would recommend you buy a good quality torque wrench, as the biggest issue I have come across over the years is home and shop mechanics over tightening and stripping nuts and bolts. I own 3 torque wrenches.
 They are: a 3/8 inch drive 2 to 20 NM, a 3/8 inch drive 10 to 50NM and a 1/2 inch drive 20 to 150NM. The third one covers most bolts and nuts on my car and a few on the bike. There are a lot of bolts that require between 5 and 50NM torque on a motorcycle and at least you will know they have been tightened properly. You would by the two 3/8 drive wrenches for what the dealer would cost. They will be your best investment in the tool box but always wind them back to zero when finished using them.
 Wheel bearings: Remove the callipers or push back the pads and check for movement by holding the wheel top and bottom and push pull in line with the axel, should not be any movement, Take wheels off and check for roughness in the bearing. Both checks are simple when changing tyres since you will have the wheels off.
 Steering head bearing: any clunks or clicks when breaking and is there any roughness, notching or tightness with front wheel off the ground turning the steering side to side. No, leave them alone. Yes dismantle and change them. Not inclined to give trouble unless you wheelie a lot.
 Are for fork seals, leaking: Yes change them, No, leave them alone.
 Since you have a centre stand it makes checking/greasing the swinging arm an easy but time consuming task. Remove rear wheel. Remove bottom bolt on shock. Remove caps covering swinging arm pivot bolt, undo pivot nut and pull out the bolt. Remove swinging arm. Don't lose the thrust covers at either end of the swinging arm and with swinging arm off remove the suspension arm/dog bones bolts.
 The most difficult time consuming job at the 24000 mile service is checking the valve clearance and since that is mostly a dismantling/reassembling job you should be capable of it.
If you are happy with the above then I could post method of checking the valve clearances and changing the coolant. Changing the coolant is nearly as easy as changing the oil.
 
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket issues again
« on: 30 September 2012, 08:08:36 pm »
Paul you might be right, I remember a few years ago a friend of mine put the modified nut on backwards after the first nut fell off, he was thinking along the same lines as you he used a 3 mm washer drilled out to fit over the splines between the nut an the tab washer to ensure the tabe washer could the located on the spines properly. There was about a 1 mm gap of play between the sprocket and the washer.
He always thought the nut should not be tight against the sprocket. I checked with him after reading the post and he never had the problem again. He still has the bike but cannot use it due to a back problem and there is 33000 miles and 2 sprockets with the same nut and tab washer.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: is 70 miles a day too much ?
« on: 28 September 2012, 12:45:44 am »
Short answer NO
Just keep up the regular maintenance and it should be fine. Obviously the maintenance intervals will come around more often and don't skimp on the maintenance  as it is false economy. Mine has 72000 miles on it and still going well

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: cam chain tool
« on: 28 September 2012, 12:39:51 am »
 Buy the Haynes Manual first and then download the Yamaha service manual from the down loads section. Having both is better than just one and the Haynes pictures are helpful to beginners.
 These are the items requiring removal:
 There is no need to remove the engine
 Remove the Tank
 Remove the side panels on air box
 Remove the side covers
 Remove the coils and fuel pump
 Remove the carbs
 Remove the cam cover end caps
 Remove the bolt holding the Coolant filler/thermostat
 Remove the Alternator Cover and tie it up
 Remove the cam chain tensioner (remove the bolt and spring at the end first to release the pressure on the tensioner
 Remove the cam cover from the left side and move the coolant filler/thermostat to facilitate removal of the cover.
 Remove the spark plugs and cover the spark plug holes just to stop anything from fallin in.
 Break the chain and be careful no to drop anything down the chain tunnel
 Remove the cams
 With the cams removed you can turn the crank as all valves are closed and no compression as plugs are removed.
 Under no circumstance turn the crank until the plugs and cams are removed.
 Make sure all dowels are out of the inlet side of the head as they will impede the refitting of the inlet camshaft
 Lining them up on refitting is fiddly but with a new chain all timing marks should line correctly
 The split link is not as we know it but what is known as a soft link which can be peened over like the like on the drive chain.
 However I would recommend that the peening over of the soft link is not done by a novice.
 I did not find the motion pro tool or type tool very effective and reverted to the heavy and light hammer method
 
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dropped forks - experiences?
« on: 28 September 2012, 12:02:39 am »
In my experience 10mm is to much. 5mm is probably the best compromise. It does sharpen the steering even though it is very good as standard. If you have the preload adjusters set the stattic sag to 23mm and work from there
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: 1998 Fazer 2nd Gear Issue
« on: 27 September 2012, 12:28:11 am »
Most likely Selector and drum (the most common problem)
It is an engine out job but not a complete strip, you cannot take off the sump because the frame tubes are in the way.
Remove the sump and you will see the selector forks and drum.
You will need to remove the clutch to get the shafts holding the drum and selectors out.
A relatively easy problem to check and fix.
Unfortunately if it is the gearbox then it will require a full engine strip as there are two crankcase bolts under the barrel

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: front brake disc question
« on: 26 September 2012, 08:35:22 pm »
The disks on the later Gen 1 have a different centre carrier which would make them slightly lighter, but they are interchangeable with the earlier models. According to Yamaha the later model disk superceded the earlier model disk

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket nut :(
« on: 25 September 2012, 10:16:14 pm »
The problem is mainly due to the thread diameter of the shaft being to small for the nut thread diameter. General the shaft thread diameter should be 17.5mm many are less, minewas 17.2 to 17.3 and now 17.2 and 2 threads left. It does not effect all the 600 but any which have the problem appear to have a shaft thread diameter of less than 17.4mm.
I uploaded what I did with some pictures to fix mine and  put it I put it under
  Downloads » Manuals » FZS600 Fazer » How I fixed my Sprocket nut problem.
See also thread 'Front sprocket issues again'
Hope it helps

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Front sprocket issues again
« on: 25 September 2012, 10:03:43 pm »
Absolutely no reply from Danfays to my email, will email again. There spares section might be good but their service and sales are crap
Fix still holding after 1300 miles

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rear brake
« on: 24 September 2012, 12:25:13 am »
R1 blue spot have different mounting points and are not a direct fit. Best is the Fazer 1000 Gen 1.
 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: does brake pads for 1000 fit 600 ?
« on: 24 September 2012, 12:21:04 am »
Short answer, yes
Same pads, same calipers.

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