From wednesday we can use our bikes again.

[coffee]

Never mind chap,we all know how you feel. :'(

[VNA]

What I need is dealers to re-open.
The R1250R will very shortly be due her first service.

[FILZ6]

VNA-BMW Wank.


I have read somewhere recently that most manufacturers including BMW have extended their bike service intervals and warranty periods, because of the issues the corona virus is causing.

[VNA]

VNA-BMW Wank.

Lovely :\

I have read somewhere recently that most manufacturers including BMW have extended their bike service intervals and warranty periods, because of the issues the corona virus is causing.

Cheers bud.  I’ve heard that too.  They might also quote me the tolerance on the first service.
But really, having spent the dosh on the bike, and it being very much my bike, I don’t want to go too far past the 600-mile figure.
I’ve got another 100 miles in hand, plus I’m stand-by this  coming week.  So not an immediate problem.

I am hoping that BMW bikes being popular with the polis and other services, and with me being a key worker, I might just be able to secure that inital service.



See what happens.

[FILZ6]

I remembered we’re I read it. It is on Bennett’s insurance website.


Some BMW dealers workshops are open for service/ repairs for key workers, so you might be able to get it serviced.
On some models, the first/ run in service interval has been stretched from 600 miles to 1200.

[VNA]

Cheers FILZ6

Just had a look at my owner’s manual.  It says first service 300 – 750 miles.  I’d imagine there is also a wider tolerance that can be applied to that.


So yeah, I might see what I can find out this week, as its now, according to the manual, ready for its first service.


It would be good to get that service.  I’ve been trying to stick to the 5000-rpm run in limit.  So once its serviced I can use the full rev range.  Though I have to say with, according to the dyno chart, 95bhp and  95lbs-ft of torque available at the rear wheel by 5000 rpm, running in is a fun and speedy process!  6[sup]th[/sup] gear at 5000rpm is about 90mph.

[FILZ6]

No problem. I hope everything goes well.  Stay safe. 

[VNA]

Will let you know.

Stay safe. 

You too.  Strange days. 

[robbo]

My pal had his first service done on his Tracer yesterday, so at least one Yam dealer is open.

[Dudeofrude]

Cheers FILZ6

Just had a look at my owner’s manual.  It says first service 300 – 750 miles.  I’d imagine there is also a wider tolerance that can be applied to that.


So yeah, I might see what I can find out this week, as its now, according to the manual, ready for its first service.


It would be good to get that service.  I’ve been trying to stick to the 5000-rpm run in limit.  So once its serviced I can use the full rev range.  Though I have to say with, according to the dyno chart, 95bhp and  95lbs-ft of torque available at the rear wheel by 5000 rpm, running in is a fun and speedy process!  6[sup]th[/sup] gear at 5000rpm is about 90mph.

Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be? Surely nothing more than an oil change and possible a check and re-torque of major bolts?
I know obviously the first service (and subsequent ones) have to be done by BMW to cover the warranty bit if for any reason you cant get it done then would it not be worth changing the oil yourself just to make sure it's done within the original mileage?

[mtread]

Oil and filter change I think. To pick up any swarf.
I seem to remember reading that the running in oil they initially put in is of a slightly different formula. But after that it's standard stuff.
I might have imagined it though

[robbo]

Kawasaki certainly had a special grade of running in oil as a pal used to own a dealership, maybe 10 or so years ago though. Fuch oil, was the favoured brand if I remember correctly.

[Gnasher]

Kawasaki certainly had a special grade of running in oil as a pal used to own a dealership, maybe 10 or so years ago though. Fuch oil, was the favoured brand if I remember correctly.

Just plain old mineral oil to run in, then switch over to either semi or fully synth. 

[VNA]

Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be?


This is my third new bike.  First was the FZS600 in 1999, second my FZS1000 (zero miles pre reg) in 2004, and now the R1250R in 2020 on a limited edition 20 plate. :eek  Yes I change my bike frequently! :lol


I have wondered whether the first service really is necessary.  It also tells you, I think, something in relation to how tight margins are getting.  My previous two bikes you just paid for the oil and filter at the first service.  Now you pay labour too.  At 200 plus quid its easy money for the dealer, with the customer generally sticking it onto their PCP finance.  Naturally my last words on negotiating a price as I offered my hand were – and no charge for the 600 mile service. 

My understanding is that its an oil and filter change plus safety check.


The PDI check was carried out by Motorrad UK, then the bike was shipped to the dealer.


Even if I can’t get it serviced in the next week or two, it surely cannot be too long before dealers are encouraged to serve the general public.


I’ve looked a few of the big dealer’s web pages.  I’ve noted that the biggest car dealer in Scotland Arnold Clark is ready to open.  They have already prepared their showrooms and workshops for social distancing.  They are just waiting for the green light.

[Gnasher]

Having never owned a new motorbike I'm not quite sure what the first service would actually be?

In reality not a lot, with yours, plug it in, check for codes, change oil/filter, visual check of the whole bike, wheeels/tryes/bolts/bulbs etc (many don't even do that)  input service data, reset service interval.  That's it, there supposed to road test, most don't, its all about time and workshop through put i.e. money.

If you you want to keep using it, change the oil/filter with OE spec and keep the receipts as proof, ride it.  Any dealership will have a very hard job of trying to refuse warranty due to the current situation, if fact to get manufactures warranty you only have to prove it's been serviced correctly, not that they did it. 

[VNA]

If you you want to keep using it, change the oil/filter with OE spec and keep the receipts as proof, ride it.  Any dealership will have a very hard job of trying to refuse warranty due to the current situation, if fact to get manufactures warranty you only have to prove it's been serviced correctly, not that they did it. 

Hopefully I won’t need to make any warranty claims.  However, if I just do my own thing when it comes to servicing, I don’t suppose my dealer will be too interested in helping me.


Dealers are businesses not charities. 



One way or another I don’t think I’ll have to wait too long for my 600mile service.

[Gnasher]

Hopefully I won’t need to make any warranty claims.  However, if I just do my own thing when it comes to servicing, I don’t suppose my dealer will be too interested in helping me.

Dealers are businesses not charities. 

It's not about them being charities, the manufacturer gives the warranty, the stealer gets paid to repair it but they can't make money at it, fixed cost to replace/repair that's why they don't like doing warranty work they can' fiddle it and it take up workshops slot on a job they can.  Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period. 


Warranties really only count for finish (paint etc) and mechanical failure, one of the biggest scams in the motor trade is extended warranties, just about everything that's likely to fail in normal use isn't covered. 


Even lease where all service parts labour are included they still make a lot on money, mainly car world this, believe me they're not charities.       

[mtread]

Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period. 

Yep, one of our independent Triumph mechanics has cleared that with Triumph. Record the date/miles and keep the genuine parts receipts and you're covered

[VNA]

I didn’t mention this to start an argument.

the manufacturer gives the warranty

Manufactures generally concern themselves with manufacturing.  They appoint agents/distributers/importers, call them what you will, to distribute/sell/maintain their products in various markets round the globe.  The importer provides the warranty.



The approved importer appoints dealers.


Bear in mind that the importer is generally as a business independent of the manufacturer.  Likewise, the dealers as businesses are independent from the importers.  But of course, they are all working to the contracts that they have agreed. 



So the dealer must provide facilities, training and service to the standards stipulated by the importer.

Providing you service the bike with OE spec filters/oils etc and to the service intervals, they can't refuse a warranty claim within the manufactures warranty period. 

The law states that if you have your vehicle serviced by a suitably qualified motorcycle mechanic (so that rules me out) and that you follow the manufacturers service schedule using only recommended parts then the importer must honour the warranty that they have provided (that is assuming you purchased a vehicle supplied by them)


But the reality is, that if having serviced your bike outside of the dealer network, you then try to make a warranty claim, the chances are they will refer you to the fella that did the servicing.  In other words they will tell you to fuck off as they don’t consider you their customer – and understandably so.


So no doubt you will then point out to them that they are breaking the law. To which they will tell you to go fuck off and apply the law. 



If you contact the importer they won’t be interested, as their interest is in you using the dealer network that they set up to sell their bikes and protect their interests. 



So good luck to anybody who thinks they can take on the might of the approved importer and dealer network in the courts.



So in short no, I would never advise anybody who has just bought a new car or bike to do their own servicing, or to have the servicing carried outwith the importers approved dealer network.  In law your warranty may be valid, but in practise may find you have rendered it worthless.


So my first step will be to contact my Motorrad dealer to see if they can help me out with my service.


Phew!

[Gnasher]

If your dealer can't service it because they're closed and you can't get a local shop/mechanic to do it for you.

At present neither is possible, hence me saying do it yourself.  Changing it yourself will be acceptable providing you use a OE spec filter and oil and do it correctly.  They can't then refuse to give you warranty, they have to prove the work caused the damage or contribute to it i.e. your paint on the engine cases starts to flake due to corrosion, common fault with BMW's. They wouldn't get away with just voided your warranty because they're were closed and you couldn't get any other shop to carry out the work as they were closed too. 

It's unreasonable, they would be constructively denying you use of your property.  I'm not saying they wouldn't try but if you want to use your bike to get to work and due to the current situation, I'd say BMW isn't going to work you over, not good PR and I think the law will support you. 

Of course if your not confidant in doing it, or you don't need the bike for work, I guess you've got to wait. 

Note: you don't have to use BMW oil or filter just that they're are OE spec, same with air fliters, brake pads/fluid, bulbs, tyres etc they just must match OE spec.  Engine, frame, ignition parts are different you must use there's if you want to maintain warranty.