From wednesday we can use our bikes again.

[steve 10562cc]

The same new rules apply to motorcycles as cars from Wednesday according to MCN reports. We can now ride to open spaces with no distance restrctions, providing we do not leave England and cross the borders of Wales & Scotland. where the restrictions still apply. We must still apply the 2mtr rule though, so peeps use your common sense, don't gather in large groups, obey the rules, keep the rubber side down, watch out for dozy cagers and stay safe. 

[slappy]

Yep, that's the way I read it.
A nice steady bimble, and as you say, stay safe.

[Oldgit]

I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.

[robbo]

I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.

No, the same as England residents can't travel to Scotland or Wales. Your forces ANPR will know from your reg. that you are a resident of Scotland and shouldn't be out, the same as my reg. would be recognised as non resident, and shouldn't be there. There's a golf course on the Eng/Wales border, with 3 holes in England, the rest in Wales :lol . It's a weird situation for sure.

[fazersharp]

You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.

[Gnasher]

You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.

No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops

[fazersharp]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26147.msg314350#msg314350 date=1589273770]
You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.

No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
[/quote]I was referring to England

[darrsi]

The same new rules apply to motorcycles as cars from Wednesday according to MCN reports. We can now ride to open spaces with no distance restrctions, providing we do not leave England and cross the borders of Wales & Scotland. where the restrictions still apply. We must still apply the 2mtr rule though, so peeps use your common sense, don't gather in large groups, obey the rules, keep the rubber side down, watch out for dozy cagers and stay safe.

And bastard potholes, don't forget they haven't been fixed, and there are probably new ones too.  :rolleyes

[Dudeofrude]

Still waiting to get my new chain and sprockets fitted... but once they're on I'll be out riding as much as possible ?

[slappy]

[color=rgb(41, 87, 130)]I thought this update from Bennetts[/color] could be interesting for some of us .

[BBROWN1664]

[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26147.msg314350#msg314350 date=1589273770]
You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.

No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law :evil which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
[/quote]

There has never been anything to say you cannot use a motorbike to carry out essential journeys and it is certainly not against the law. It is a high (compared to taking the car) risk activity that any sensible person would avoid though at the moment if they could.
Non-essential journeys on the other hand...…...

[VNA]

I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.

Naw, stay at home ye oldgot.  That was just the PM of England speaking.

[Gnasher]

There has never been anything to say you cannot use a motorbike to carry out essential journeys and it is certainly not against the law. It is a high (compared to taking the car) risk activity that any sensible person would avoid though at the moment if they could.
Non-essential journeys on the other hand...…...

The point here mate is, in Wales you still can't go to work they remain in lockdown, so this chap can't go to work in England as he's still in lockdown in Wales.  Or that's what the emergency law/measures state................... or can he confusing! 

[BBROWN1664]

The point here mate is, in Wales you still can't go to work they remain in lockdown, so this chap can't go to work in England as he's still in lockdown in Wales.  Or that's what the emergency law/measures state................... or can he confusing! 

The thing people keep misquoting the most.

They have NEVER said you cannot go to work. What they have always said is that you should work from home unless you cannot. Common sense shut most places down as people couldn't socially distance. Some industries have been forced to shut, but most shut voluntarily.
The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%

[Gnasher]

They have NEVER said you cannot go to work.

If you life in Wales (this chap does) the current law is stay at home. Don't go to work unless it's essential work (government list) and only go out once a day locally for food or exercise.  Work from home if you can or if not you're furloughed, laid off if PAYE or just twiddling your thumbs if self employed.  This chap was staying at home so presumably, he's not doing essential work, he can't work from home as he now thinks he's got to go in hence his post and he can't be laid off or he wouldn't have a job to go back to.  Unless he's got a new job but he can't work from home as he needs to go to work in England.     

This chaps job is located in England he lives in Wales, since today there're 2 different laws in operation.  Currently living in Wales he can't leave his house unless his work is essential, it can't be as was staying home, now saying under Boris new plan for England he needs to go to work, so he must have been staying at home furloughed, or if self employed living off savings as I don't believe they get any money until June.

Common sense doesn't come into to it if you're living in Wales he can't go out, except for the above, which by definition he doesn't qualify or he'd not be asking the question.   

but most shut voluntarily.

No, unless you were on the essential work list e.g. NHS, Police, Fire, gas fitters, maintenance/repair, supermarket worker, delivery driver, postman etc or couldn't work from home, you was shut down.  That changed only today after Boris announcement on Sunday. 

 
The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%

Really, I don't think so, or if it is the government is lying again.  So everybody who's been furloughed is really just a lazy sod................Hmmm interesting.  I'm not furloughed and have been working, my Mrs has been, are you saying my Mrs is a lazy sod and everybody else who's been furloughed?

[BBROWN1664]

1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed

At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential  In fact the welsh wording is …..

With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on.  However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home).  This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.

This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-...tion-39182
A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.


Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.

[fazersharp]

This chaps job is located in England he lives in Wales, since today there're 2 different laws in operation.  Currently living in Wales he can't leave his house unless his work is essential, it can't be as was staying home, now saying under Boris new plan for England he needs to go to work, so he must have been staying at home furloughed, or if self employed living off savings as I don't believe they get any money until June.

Common sense doesn't come into to it if you're living in Wales he can't go out, except for the above, which by definition he doesn't qualify or he'd not be asking the question.   

Common sense would say that he passes the problem onto his employers and ask them. If they say he must come in then I suggest the way forward is to ask them to provide a headed letter that he can carry if in the very unlikely event that he is jumped out upon by a copper disguised as a sheep on the Welsh English border.

No, unless you were on the essential work list e.g. NHS, Police, Fire, gas fitters, maintenance/repair, supermarket worker, delivery driver, postman etc or couldn't work from home, you was shut down.  That changed only today after Boris announcement on Sunday. 

You missed construction workers who were allowed to work but what happened was that it was the workers that started to get worried and did not want to come in to work.

So everybody who's been furloughed is really just a lazy sod................Hmmm interesting.  I'm not furloughed and have been working, my Mrs has been, are you saying my Mrs is a lazy sod and everybody else who's been furloughed?

Not lazy but within my circle I do not know one person who is not happy being given 80% of their wages to stay at home, the government are going to have a problem weaning people off this.

[Gnasher]

1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed

At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential  In fact the welsh wording is …..

With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on.  However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home).  This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.

This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-...tion-39182
A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.


Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.

It matters not, what of your interpreted categories you think he falls in, they yours not the emergency measures.  The list the Welch government closed is the same as in England at the time and is extensive https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-c...d-premises there would alosbe other business that couldn't operate as something they or supplied went to a business that was shut, so by definition they can't continue trading. Or perhaps their all lazy sods too? 

The chap works in whatever business in England that was shut for whatever reason, he now needs to go back to work in England due to the changes in England, it couldn't by definition be essential or directly/indirectly working for or supplying an essential business or he wouldn't have been off.   

This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post.  Confusion end of.

And are you still saying my Mrs and everybody else that's furloughed is lazy sod, as you've conveniently dodged that question? 

[fazersharp]

This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post.  Confusion end of.

Its a mess but getting out of this lockdown is going to be a lot harder than getting into it. There must be 100's of similar scenario's. How would you suggest that this particular one is sorted, should England of waited until Wales and Scotland were in a position to do the same.

[Gnasher]

Its a mess but getting out of this lockdown is going to be a lot harder than getting into it. There must be 100's of similar scenario's. How would you suggest that this particular one is sorted, should England of waited until Wales and Scotland were in a position to do the same.

I'm not a big fan of devolution, not that NI, Scotland, Wales should have their own identities, they should and this has in my opinion made us, the British people what we are.  The current serious situation has exposed all manner of failings and weakness, we in the UK have, devolution being one as we now have the ridiculous situation of England doing one thing while the other 3 are doing another.

It'a also transpires, according to Mrs Cranky, Boris didn't tell them about his new plan or not staying home, which doesn't surprise me, Boris being Boris.  Yes I think we in the UK should all move in step, and go with the majority, as by doing different things we're weakening each other and increasing risk.  It's not clear what consultation has occurred, Boris is saying they did, Cranky is saying opposite not sure what NI or Wales have said on it, on balance I'd tend to believe Cranky on this one.

If Boris had a good evidence, to support his new policy the others would have moved in step, clearly he hasn't and/or he didn't consult them.  either way it's now a mess, why Boris!