Side stand switch does nothing

[Steve3351]

U can see it on previous pic...6 wires.jpg....

[unfazed]

Check the wire for earth or 12v, ignition on and off. Then do the same  turning the indicators on and off.Just checked you pic and that is the permanent earth.

[Steve3351]

Yes...any suggestions as to how to proceed...or have u had enuf ...???!!!!

[His Dudeness]

[unfazed]

At the risk of confusing him more can I throw my tuppence worth in? :lol I think this is right but tell me if I’m wrong. There should be 9 black wires but he only needs to identify four of them to make the bike run? He needs the ground from the side stand, and that joins back to the Ignitor. And he needs the ground when the starter switch is pressed, and that joins to the cut-off relay. That’s all he needs. 
With a continuity test. If he turns the ignition ON, he puts one probe of his meter in the side stand Blue/Yellow, then touches the other probe off each loose black wire. When the meter beeps turn the ignition off, if the beeping stops when the ignition is off that loose black wire is the switched ground from the side stand. If the beeping continues it’s the permanent ground so repeat the test until you find the black wire where the beeping stops when you turn the ignition off.

That side stand ground connects to a black wire in the 8 pin connector going to the Ignitor, so if he takes the 8 pin connector out of the Ignitor, touches a test probe to the pin with the black wire, touches the other test probe to the loose black wires, when the meter beeps that’s the wire going to the Ignitor. He should join the two loose black wires that he just identified together (side stand ground and black going to Ignitor).

The other two wires that he needs to join together are the ground from the starter switch and a black wire going to the cut-off relay. If he connects a probe to the blue/white wire coming from the starter switch and connects the other probe to the loose black wires one loose black wire should beep. That’s the switched ground from the starter switch.

Next connect a test probe to the black wire at the cut –off relay and the other probe to the loose black wires, one of them should beep. Join the two loose black wires that you identified together. (Ground from the starter switch and the black wire going to the cut-off relay)

That should be all he needs to join. The rest don't effect the bike starting or running. (I think :lol )
I was looking at the wiring diagram in that manual http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=down...iew;down=4

Yes and no, You are correct in saying only 4 wires are used by the alarm imobiliser section. however we only need to find two wires, since starter operates there is no need to worry about it which rules out 2 of the 4..
The pair of wires we need are the the pair connected for the Ignitor earth.
Unfortunately the Ignitor has 2 earths one permanent and one via the side stand.
The issue really is that the wire from the sidestand switch goes through the Ignition switch and from there back to the Ignitor as a black wire. (via the loop plug which in this case has been removed)
This make is more difficult if someone is not to familiar with using a meter as they risk the possibility of damaging the ignitor.
Hence the reason for asking to check for the earths with a voltmeter.The other problem is the earth wires and the Yamaha loom alarm wires are the same colour. Black with a yellowish dot at intervals

[unfazed]

Yes...any suggestions as to how to proceed...or have u had enuf ...???!!!!

Your spare time and necessity to use the bike is what is important because we can if you are willing dismantle the loom further as you need to check if there are any further signs of the loom being interfered with from under the seat to under the left Side panel below the large starter cut out relay box.

[Steve3351]

Hi DUDE...thanks for yer imput...as u see UNFAZED has been attempting to talk me through the process of tracking down this sidestand switch issue....I'm going to have another look at it tomoro...if UNFAZED will be kind enuf to give me instructions.....I'm happy enuf about using the multimeter....thanks to u both for the help :angel

[Steve3351]

missed the last message....there is no sign of any further interference with the wiring in the loom behind the blue connector, all looks tightly taped up as original...will post a pic tomoro...thanks again :z

[darrsi]

Looks so much easier on tv when they're trying to disconnect a bomb  :lol

[Steve3351]

Hi UNFAZED,,, DUDE  thanks for yer time and input....this is getting too complicated...the bike is running and ive never had the sidestand switch working...
I do see some suspicious black wire going to what I assume is the cut off relay,,, i will post a pic later when i have a chance to see where that wire comes from....!!!

[unfazed]

:eek :lol

[Steve3351]

HI again
here is a pic showing where the wiring to the cut off relay (i assume) has ben altered...make any sense...??? :book

[Steve3351]

I printed out DUDE'S instructions...even on paper they are pretty confusing...
Has he been INGESTING some MIND ALTERING substance......??? :look

[unfazed]

Dude was out in the pub when he wrote it  :lol :lol

What he said make s sense but since you have not seen an unmolested wiring system it would be confusing.  :eek
Yes that box is the starter cut out relay, looks like the wire was too short to rejoin and they ran a new one back to the Start button connector block in the box under the tank. What you need to do is unravel the tape around the loom under the seat more to find another cut wire which will be the side stand switch wire.

[Steve3351]

ER,,,...but I'm getting continuity between the sidestand switch
wire (the black at the connector) and TWO of the loose wire already...? no 5 and no. 6  :\

[unfazed]

Does continunity to earth change when you operate the sidestand with the ignition on

[Steve3351]

Er...not sure wot u mean...but if u look at my pics in posts 83 and 84 u will see that turning ignition on/off changes my six loose wires from 2 earths and one live to two lives and one earth, regardless of whether sidestand is up or down

I appreciate all ur help on this issue....If u want to pack it in no probs....!!! 8)

[unfazed]

I was a bit cryptic,  :eek because the continuity didn't change you have not found the side stand wire.
Just unravel the tape around the loom under the seat part and spread out the wires a bit more back and front and see if you can find a cut wire or wires spliced

[Steve3351]

Hi...thanks again but I,m going to call it a day on this...I managed without the sidestand switch up till now...!
I don't want to cut into the loom any further...it's difficult to get at. A bit frustrating having these little niggles not sorted :o

BUT ANYWAY...my PASS switch isn't working...do u think I shud crack open the handlebar cluster...or just leave well alone....??

[unfazed]

Ok, no problem, if you are ever over this direction we can sort it  :lol :lol
Was it working and stopped suddenly or has it ever worked?
If it stopped suddenly it is most likely corrosion within the switch.
Easy enough to remove and take apart and clean the contacts, but be aware there are some very small screws, little springs and contacts in there which can fall out and roll/fly to places you never knew existed. :lol Choke cable can be a bit fiddly to put back.