Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well.
Quote:It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
I’m all for multiculturalism. Can’t see anything wrong with it.
Quote:And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Stop reading the Daily Mail Darrsi, it’s all paranoid bigoted bull shite.
Quote:Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
Unfortunately, it’s become something of a tax on the poor. It’s also resulted in a massive growth in the black market – ie organised crime. I don’t think tobacco should be cheap as chips, but the current prices are ludicrous. It also smacks of middle class nannyism, the great and good enforcing their preferences on all. It ignores the fact that the most damaging drug in the UK is alcohol.
Quote:In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion.
Quote:For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Alcohol is a hard drug – period. You can get seriously off yer face on it and/or potentially kill yourself. Not to mention it’s association with aggressive behaviour. It’s a serious hard drug.
Quote:Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
When tested for alcohol, people are tested to determine whether they are under the influence of the drug, ie how much alcohol is in their blood.
Cannabis is an illegal substance. When tested for cannabis, you are tested to see if you have any of the broken down by products of an illegal drug in your system. You are not tested to determine if you are under the influence of the drug.
At my place of work there is a rigorous random drug testing programme. As far as I can figure out - what they have managed to prove is that people can use recreational drugs and function as model employees. It’s also encouraged the use of hard drugs such as cocaine which are in and out of your system quick.
and having followed this thread since the start, I have to say that my feelings on the original subject have not changed. The nation continues to splinter.
(24-01-18, 09:27 PM)VNA link Wrote: Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well.
Quote:It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
I’m all for multiculturalism. Can’t see anything wrong with it.
Quote:And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Stop reading the Daily Mail Darrsi, it’s all paranoid bigoted bull shite.
Quote:Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
Unfortunately, it’s become something of a tax on the poor. It’s also resulted in a massive growth in the black market – ie organised crime. I don’t think tobacco should be cheap as chips, but the current prices are ludicrous. It also smacks of middle class nannyism, the great and good enforcing their preferences on all. It ignores the fact that the most damaging drug in the UK is alcohol.
Quote:In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion.
Quote:For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Alcohol is a hard drug – period. You can get seriously off yer face on it and/or potentially kill yourself. Not to mention it’s association with aggressive behaviour. It’s a serious hard drug.
Quote:Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
When tested for alcohol, people are tested to determine whether they are under the influence of the drug, ie how much alcohol is in their blood.
Cannabis is an illegal substance. When tested for cannabis, you are tested to see if you have any of the broken down by products of an illegal drug in your system. You are not tested to determine if you are under the influence of the drug.
At my place of work there is a rigorous random drug testing programme. As far as I can figure out - what they have managed to prove is that people can use recreational drugs and function as model employees. It’s also encouraged the use of hard drugs such as cocaine which are in and out of your system quick.
Where do you work, Colombia? :lol
Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Quote:Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
I’m not advocating coke. But one thing that has helped it become popular is how quickly the body processes the by products of the drug. Current workplace drug policies promote the use of coke.
Quote:And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
That’s the point I was making – there are no legal limits in the system for the by-products THC because it is not a legal substance. The testing is a nonsense.
Quote:Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
The current laws and policies are clueless. It’s a case of keep doing the same thing that’s never ever worked in the hope that at some point in the future surely it will work.
Quote:As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
So then why discriminate against safer less harmful drugs? Why encourage organised crime. Why ignore and deny the colossal damage that alcohol does to society?
Quote:Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
I’m not advocating coke. But one thing that has helped it become popular is how quickly the body processes the by products of the drug. Current workplace drug policies promote the use of coke.
Quote:And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
That’s the point I was making – there are no legal limits in the system for the by-products THC because it is not a legal substance. The testing is a nonsense.
Quote:Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
The current laws and policies are clueless. It’s a case of keep doing the same thing that’s never ever worked in the hope that at some point in the future surely it will work.
Quote:As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
So then why discriminate against safer less harmful drugs? Why encourage organised crime. Why ignore and deny the colossal damage that alcohol does to society?
Either you are drunk, or on drugs.....or both.
Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
What planet are you on? And who do you work for?
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
Again, don't mistake my point of view as being anti, because i'd be very interested to see it trialled over here, which is possible seeing as other countries are giving it a go.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
24-01-18, 11:06 PM (This post was last modified: 24-01-18, 11:08 PM by VNA.)
Quote:Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
Because you can use coke at the weekend and pass a drug test nae bother on the Monday morning.
Smoke a joint or two at the weekend, and whilst you might be stoned, umm sorry, stone cold sober on Monday morning you'll fail a typical workplace drug test, and you'll still fail on Friday. If you don't smoke anything for two or three weeks you should generally, though there's no guarantee,by then be OK.
And of course it is a policy that works on the basis of guilty until proven innocent.
Quote:Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
I think the USA’s prohibition experience suggests otherwise. Though obviously, as we have found with tobacco, if the legal price is stupid high then people will turn to other sources.
The other thing that has happened, as a result of most western countries outlawing cannabis, is there is no control over the development of the drug. Genetically modified skunk can be a completely different beast to natural organic cannabis.
The war on drugs continues to work against all. Whilst of course most people are completely in denial of the dangers and massive social impact of alcohol.
(24-01-18, 10:36 PM)darrsi link Wrote: Either you are drunk, or on drugs.....or both.
Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
What planet are you on? And who do you work for?
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
Again, don't mistake my point of view as being anti, because i'd be very interested to see it trialled over here, which is possible seeing as other countries are giving it a go.
I disagree. Having loads of 1st hand experience in all sorts of restrictions and black markets, due to the economic and political situation of where I've lived.
Make anything restricted and/or illegal, and the black market flourishes.
Make it legal, and easily bought/sold, the gangsters look for other ways of making quick money. Beating the "lower prices" is not their game - that's maybe a supermarket, or a good salesman, but not the black market way of thinking. In fact, they go out of their way to make sure that their product is not widely available and expensive (preferably having a monopoly on it).
Those are carefully chosen angles. I am sure of it. Considering your age, and taking into account the colour (or lack of it) of your hair, I have no doubt your bald patch is every bit as substantial as my own.
Quote:Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
Because you can use coke at the weekend and pass a drug test nae bother on the Monday morning.
Smoke a joint or two at the weekend, and whilst you might be stoned, umm sorry, stone cold sober on Monday morning you'll fail a typical workplace drug test, and you'll still fail on Friday. If you don't smoke anything for two or three weeks you should generally, though there's no guarantee,by then be OK.
And of course it is a policy that works on the basis of guilty until proven innocent.
Quote:Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
I think the USA’s prohibition experience suggests otherwise. Though obviously, as we have found with tobacco, if the legal price is stupid high then people will turn to other sources.
The other thing that has happened, as a result of most western countries outlawing cannabis, is there is no control over the development of the drug. Genetically modified skunk can be a completely different beast to natural organic cannabis.
The war on drugs continues to work against all. Whilst of course most people are completely in denial of the dangers and massive social impact of alcohol.
Ain’t we a bit off topic here?
Erm, no not really, we're still discussing people with fucked up minds. It's all kind of relative.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(25-01-18, 12:28 AM)VNA link Wrote: Those are carefully chosen angles. I am sure of it. Considering your age, and taking into account the colour (or lack of it) of your hair, I have no doubt your bald patch is every bit as substantial as my own.
Wrong.
The men in my family go grey early, but don't lose their hair.
