Bloody cyclists always get in the way!

[richfzs]

Sorry Simon, but :rollin :rollin :rollin

Cager = person driving a cage.... A car...

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[simonm]

Sorry Simon, but :rollin :rollin :rollin

Cager = person driving a cage.... A car...

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  I get you.  I should have Urban Dictionaried (with the correct spelling) it sooner.  Thx

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cager

[maddog04]

beat me to it Rich

[chaz]

looks like it was the bikers fault the cyclists were near to the verge, unlike the pack of a dozen or so that were 2 and 3 abreast on the road from Cawood to Ryther last week, however I managed to get past on a tight left hander without hitting any of them, it must of been my lucky day....................... and theirs................lol.

[Razgruff]

looks like an inexperienced biker ,he travels from centre of road to the edge to get the cyclists. Road position totally wrong to see through the bend and he seems not to have the confidence to hit a greater lean angle and hit the throttle to duck round them.

[simonm]

looks like it was the bikers fault the cyclists were near to the verge, unlike the pack of a dozen or so that were 2 and 3 abreast on the road from Cawood to Ryther last week, however I managed to get past on a tight left hander without hitting any of them, it must of been my lucky day....................... and theirs................lol.

:rollin  Definitely the cyclists.  Sheesh, gettouttathewaygoddamnitI'mbiggerthanyou !

[VNA]

300 hours community service and a five year ban for killing his second cyclist;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-ed...e-22397918

[nsr500v4]

The man obviously is not fit to be allowed on the road in any way shape or form. The law is a complete ass

[VNA]

looks like an inexperienced biker ,he travels from centre of road to the edge to get the cyclists. Road position totally wrong to see through the bend and he seems not to have the confidence to hit a greater lean angle and hit the throttle to duck round them.

You know, you look at it and think, that fella doesn't have control of his motorcycle. 

I passed my test in 1987, so I've no idea what is involved today.  Must ask some of the young lads at work.  But do they actually teach folks how to steer their bike yet?  And I have to admit I was riding about for quite some time with no real idea of how to turn my bike.  It was only by chance I read an article in the early 90's in, I think, Motorcycle News and Sport, on how you actually make a bike turn.  And I'll bet folks are still debating, as they have done on the net for years, as to how you actually make a bike change direction.

So the accident is the fellas fault.  But then again, if he had training, and that training was not adequate......well I kinda sympathise with him. 

So somebody please please tell me that you have to have training before you go on the road, and part of the course is to teach you how to change direction whenever you fancy.  That video footage looks like a classic - I need to change direction aaaagh why isn't it turning - bang. 

[Skippernick]

Buts thats alright because he was suffering from stress, i'll remember to use that if i ever need too in court.
When i get in charge he'll have his winkle cut off as punishment.


This is in relation to above BBC article.

[Grahamm]

300 hours community service and a five year ban for killing his second cyclist;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-ed...e-22397918

And the Sheriff effectively blamed the *cyclist* by saying that not wearing a helmet "contributed to her death"!

No, some prick who should never have been let back in charge of a vehicle contributed to her death and a slap on the wrist Community Sentence and a 5 year ban is a foccing mockery of justice!

He should be facing a 5 year jail term and a life ban on driving!

[nsr500v4]

[quote author=VNA link=topic=7544.msg73441#msg73441 date=1367603474]
300 hours community service and a five year ban for killing his second cyclist;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-ed...e-22397918

And the Sheriff effectively blamed the *cyclist* by saying that not wearing a helmet "contributed to her death"!

No, some prick who should never have been let back in charge of a vehicle contributed to her death and a slap on the wrist Community Sentence and a 5 year ban is a foccing mockery of justice!

He should be facing a 5 year jail term and a life ban on driving!
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Should have been manslaughter charge too

[Dead Eye]

I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know. I began to understand it much better after going through Twist of the Wrist II around last July / August

[Grahamm]

I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know.

That's very true.

As mentioned elsewhere, even when you *know* about countersteering and the fact that the bike can turn better than you think, actually being able to *do* it in a crisis situation is another matter entirely

[simonm]

I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know. I began to understand it much better after going through Twist of the Wrist II around last July / August

Amen to that brother.  The test's do not prepare you for grit, ice, snow, counter steering, rear wheel braking, fixation, hump back bridges, excessive speed with the wrong entry point and gear going in to a down hill banked corner or any of the other many issues there are with riding as a newb.  Only experience and track days do that.

[simonm]

[quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=7544.msg73485#msg73485 date=1367610936]
I passed my test in September 2011 - and I have to admit that I wasn't given a full understanding of how to steer a motorcycle. If it wasn't for my sheer curiosity in to how anything and everything works I probably still wouldn't know.

That's very true.

As mentioned elsewhere, even when you *know* about countersteering and the fact that the bike can turn better than you think, actually being able to *do* it in a crisis situation is another matter entirely
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The mere physics of countersteering freak me out when I think about them during cornering.  I have to turn my brain off and think about where I want to go, not that lamp post that is getting closer and I seem to be heading towards it....

[Dead Eye]

I find counter-steering really interesting (go figure) and the way that TotW showed it helped me to understand the forces at play and the physics behind it - all very interesting stuff

I've been putting it all in to practice and do fairly well for myself - I've been lucky in that I've never had any serious issues in controlling my machine. Hell, I've only gone down once and I was practically stationary and just lost my balance - freezing cold feet / legs + loose grit + a bit of bad balance had me on the floor looking like a pillock :lol :lol :lol

[ChristoT]

I've done that... And done more dramatic too!!

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[simonm]

I find counter-steering really interesting (go figure) and the way that TotW showed it helped me to understand the forces at play and the physics behind it - all very interesting stuff

I've been putting it all in to practice and do fairly well for myself - I've been lucky in that I've never had any serious issues in controlling my machine. Hell, I've only gone down once and I was practically stationary and just lost my balance - freezing cold feet / legs + loose grit + a bit of bad balance had me on the floor looking like a pillock :lol :lol :lol

One of my older friends said to me, push right to go right.  Works a treat, I repeat it like a mantra....unless I'm going left.

[Razgruff]

I think that Counter steering gets explained wrong which confuses people, this pushing bars thing is wrong, the bars are somewhere to rest you hands,
and stop them flapping about in the wind 

I always understood countersteering as something you did in a car, when you flick the steering wheel the wrong way to kick the arse out to start what they call drifting now. :rolleyes

To me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or right.
One goes down giving the impression of being pushed because your elbow straightens and the other comes up giving the impression of being pulled because that elbow bends more.
I've followed a couple of people recently, I don't know if they are new bikers or fairweathers that haven't been out for a while, but you can see the stiffness in there bodies.
That tight neck raised shoulders. rod like back no flexablity in the body. if that did a bit of Weaving like GP racers do to warm their tyres up it would help them to loosen up the body and and get the feel for the bikes abilities again.