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Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - nsr500v4 - 30-04-13
Motorcycle Crashes into Bicycles 4/27/2013
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - Strifae - 30-04-13
That's target fixation if you ever needed an example of it...
what an idiot biker :\
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - andybesy - 30-04-13
Thought this video might show up here at some point. Be interested to hear folks comments on it.
Didn't look as though he was going especially fast, not purely a case of speed.
Difficult to get a sense of how sharp the corner is from the video, or the visibility as he drives around it, but his from his head position it looks as though he's looking ahead.
Still he doesn't seem to reduce the throttle until last minute, nor steer more sharply in to the corner. Maybe a bit of target fixation?
He doesn't seem to cut the throttle until the last minute, but when we does it looks like he brakes, and the bike stands up and goes in a straight line in to unfortunate cyclists.
Thoughts? What went wrong here?
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - andybesy - 30-04-13
I've just watched it again, and there is an initial reaction before he later reacts by braking.
You can see the bike *twitch as he spots them.
*typo corrected
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - simonm - 30-04-13
I can sympathise with the biker and the cyclists.
What an unfortunate situation a lack of experience I'm all too familiar with. Both of my drops have happened under 15 mph although neither were target fixation (though I've been close before)
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - andybesy - 30-04-13
You would be gutted wouldn't you. Nightmare.
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - ghostbiker - 30-04-13
Maybe the cyclist should have been wearing full leathers including boots and gloves. plus a full face helmet and dayglo jacket. :lol
pure target fixation and lack lack of forward obs.
he wasnt looking through the corner early on, saw the bikes late then target fixated on them.
did the same thing to a parked car mid corner when i was a teen. slammed right in to it when it could have easily been avoided.
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - Skippernick - 30-04-13
Thats really odd, he appears to do nothin until the last second.
I agree target fixation followed by paralysed by indecision is my diagnosis.
Andybesy, its the mullholend drive road, thats a 180 degree turn loads of youtube clips on it at that exact point.
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - caretaker - 30-04-13
thats not target fixation. thats a result!!
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - simonm - 30-04-13
(30-04-13, 06:12 PM)Skippernick link Wrote: Andybesy, its the mullholend drive road, thats a 180 degree turn loads of youtube clips on it at that exact point.
One of loadsa monumental motorbike Fcuk ups on that road
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mulholland+drive+motorcycle&tbm=vid
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - simonm - 30-04-13
(30-04-13, 06:15 PM)caretaker link Wrote: thats not target fixation. thats a result!!That's really funny in a very, very, very, very bad way. :rolleyes
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - dBfazer600 - 30-04-13
Biker does not look to be going to fast as the bike stops relatively close. Appears bikers obs are all wrong with to much concentration on looking into the corner and been blind to near risks. Would like to know what the sun was doing at the time and whether this is a contributing factor.
Daz
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - simonm - 30-04-13
(30-04-13, 06:30 PM)dBfazer600 link Wrote: Biker does not look to be going to fast as the bike stops relatively close. Appears bikers obs are all wrong with to much concentration on looking into the corner and been blind to near risks. Would like to know what the sun was doing at the time and whether this is a contributing factor.You can see the sun from his shadow. Doesn't look to be a contributing factor to me... (I think it was fixation and indecision)
Daz
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - sadlonelygit - 30-04-13
pure TF
the irony is that if he'd gone right of the tredders onto the dirt he'd have missed them....shit them up a bit but better than the actual result.
always, always, always look for the way OUT of the problem, not at it!!! suppose it's easier said than done and perhaps you can't learn 30+ years experience
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - edc - 30-04-13
"You're not bleeding except for that arm... No - keep it down!"
WTF?!?!? Any 1st aider will tell you that you elevate bleeding...
Also - who the f*ck let him get up!??!?!? An impact like that and the fall to the ground is a TOTAL candidate for neck/back injuries... Best off keeping him where he was until paramedics checked him out.
Oh - and before I forget. Twat of a biker.
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - dBfazer600 - 30-04-13
(30-04-13, 06:32 PM)simonm link Wrote: [quote author=dBfazer600 link=topic=7544.msg72761#msg72761 date=1367343018]You can see the sun from his shadow. Doesn't look to be a contributing factor to me... (I think it was fixation and indecision)
Biker does not look to be going to fast as the bike stops relatively close. Appears bikers obs are all wrong with to much concentration on looking into the corner and been blind to near risks. Would like to know what the sun was doing at the time and whether this is a contributing factor.
Daz
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Point taken. Looking further into vid and it looks like a 45 degree corner and he seems to be looking further up the road until he begins to straighten up where the ho shit factor kicks in and as you have said fixation.
Daz
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - Lazarus - 30-04-13
feel sorry for the cyclist at the back (in the white). when he hits the ground his legs are practically wrapped around his neck (new a girl that could do that .....) that must hurt!
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - VNA - 01-05-13
Bloody Norra, has that fella ever ridden a motorcycle before. Or did he black out or something?
It makes a good add for cyclists wearing helmets, I think the first one might dead or have long term brain damage if not for his wee foam hat.
As it is that one serious impact and I hope both those cyclists are OK.
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - maddog04 - 02-05-13
scary stuff, imagine the uproar if a cager had done it, hope they're all ok
Re: Bloody cyclists always get in the way! - simonm - 02-05-13
(02-05-13, 08:56 AM)maddog04 link Wrote: scary stuff, imagine the uproar if a cager had done it, hope they're all ok
By cadger I assume you mean newb? Is there any way of telling how experienced the guy is ?
I don't look like a novice until I get to a corner and negotiate it at all of 2 miles an hour :-P