I asked first. What would you do?
I'll give you some help.
Stop supplying arms to Saudi Arabia.
ISIS say boom!
Stop meddling in Iraq and Syria.
ISIS say boom!
Stop being America's poodle.
ISIS say boom!
Completely disband our military.
ISIS say boom!
Stand on a soapbox and decry our dreadful history of imperialism and meddling around the world, and promise never to do any such thing again.
ISIS say boom!
So I ask you again: what would you do?
It’s simple hedgetrimmer.
I don’t believe in killing people. I believe in peace and justice for all.
(27-05-17, 11:32 AM)VNA link Wrote: It’s simple hedgetrimmer.
I don’t believe in killing people. I believe in peace and justice for all.
I wish everyone were like that. But they're not.
David Cameron not that long ago was talking about backing the moderate and progressive Islamic rebels in Syria. What moderate progressive Islamic rebels? The backers of The Rebel Syrian Army are Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. The same people who promote Wahhabist ideology.
Why do we have extremist mosques in the UK, Wahhabist mosques? Because we are allies with and fund the Saudi Wahhabist state. Islamic State is Wahhabism. Saudi has promoted Wahhabism around the globe, we are allies with Saudi, we fund and promote the IS ideology.
This is our mess.
And I fear there will be a lot more "boom" as you say Hedgetrimmer.
If we can supposedly put a number on highly threatening jihadists in the UK, then surely that means we know who and where they are doesn't it?
So why can't we strike first, deporting any non UK born suspects for starters, regardless of their claims that their own homeland is dangerous for them (not our fault), and detain the others under terrorism laws, and see if the threat suddenly subsides.
Meanwhile, when we see dubious looking people at our borders with suspicious amounts of stamps on their passports fling in from known threatening countries, then if they're not born here tell them to fuck right off and bar them for life, and if they are born here then detain them and question them over suspected terrorist activity.
The PC brigade will whinge like mad, but rather them than us having to deal with the aftermath of a bomb blowing up completely innocent people at a pop concert for example.
We've gotta start somewhere, and it sounds like a reasonable plan to me.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Quote:So why can't we strike first, deporting any non UK born suspects for starters, regardless of their claims that their own homeland is dangerous for them (not our fault), and detain the others under terrorism laws, and see if the threat suddenly subsides.
Complete waste of time.
You can’t deport a suspect. If we lock people up or deport them based on suspicion – well you’ve just created a police state.
Not our fault? We start llegal and immoral wars. We rob countries blind across the globe, we undermine democracy and support brutal dictatorships and we support proxy wars. Not our fault – I mean where the fuck do you start will all imperialistic murderous shit either carried out or sponsored by our country.
At the end of the day, as horrible as it is to contemplate, what happened in Manchester is collateral damage.
And anyway such actions just will breed more terrorists. Our prisons will just become breeding centres for Wahhabist terrorism. Muslim communities will be seen as suspect communities, breeding more resentment and ideal fodder for the Saudi sponsored Imams in our Saudi built mosques.
Quote:and see if the threat suddenly subsides.
Ho ho! “Boom”.
(27-05-17, 01:29 PM)darrsi link Wrote: If we can supposedly put a number on highly threatening jihadists in the UK, then surely that means we know who and where they are doesn't it?
So why can't we strike first, deporting any non UK born suspects for starters, regardless of their claims that their own homeland is dangerous for them (not our fault), and detain the others under terrorism laws, and see if the threat suddenly subsides.
Meanwhile, when we see dubious looking people at our borders with suspicious amounts of stamps on their passports fling in from known threatening countries, then if they're not born here tell them to fuck right off and bar them for life, and if they are born here then detain them and question them over suspected terrorist activity.
The PC brigade will whinge like mad, but rather them than us having to deal with the aftermath of a bomb blowing up completely innocent people at a pop concert for example.
We've gotta start somewhere, and it sounds like a reasonable plan to me. When we finally brexit proper we can be free to do all of that without having the European Court of Justice and European Court of Human rights overruling all our efforts.
We need our own Guantanamo bay, maybe we could use the Falklands, stopping them at the border is what Trump suggested and he got all kinds of flack for that but it makes sense to say we dont want people coming here who have nothing but bad intentions.
This has been going through my mind, the father of the bomber came here after fleeing Gadafi's Libya we opened our doors to him and gave him refuge, then we helped destroy his enemy and we are repaid by his son murdering people of the very nation that was his savour. So the people who say its because we got rid of Gadfi doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit this story and makes no difference to what happened.
Also corbin saying they shall not win on one hand and then on the other saying he will alter our foreign policy when that is exactly what they want, if he does that then the terrorism will get worse because they will see that the bombing is working. Yes by all means slowly alter our foreign policy but don't announce it and make it an issue and say its to reduce the treat to us.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Set them free from tyranny?
Id put a weeks wages on many missing the stability that Saddam Hussein etc gave them.
Complete fabrication, I didn't make it up!
Quote:When we finally brexit proper
If we Brexit. ‘God’ help us if we do.
Quote:European Court of Human rights overruling all our efforts.
That’s a separate issue from the EU. And yup May wants to tear it up. Tear up the court that Winston Churchill worked so hard to create.
Quote:We need our own Guantanamo bay, maybe we could use the Falklands, stopping them at the border is what Trump
Fuck Yeah! Let’s take our inspiration from Bush and Trump. Let’s keep doing stuff that’s never ever worked in the hope that someday that shit that’s never ever worked magically works!
Quote:Libya we opened our doors to him and gave him refuge, then we helped destroy his enemy and we are repaid by his son murdering people of the very nation that was his savour.
We’ve left Libya as a lawless non-functioning state which is now riddled with extreme terrorists (IS). Just like we did in Iraq. Oh yeah the people of Afghanistan, Iran and Libya, to name just three countries have so much to thank us gracious generous helpful British. So kind of us to lay their countries’ to waste.
Quote:Also corbin saying they shall not win on one hand and then on the other saying he will alter our foreign policy when that is exactly what they want
No, they want what you are proposing. They want you to feed the flames.
Corbyn is of course absolutely right. This is all our making. And fazersharp and darrsi want more.
Meanwhile as you mention Trump. He’s just done a 110 billion dollar aems deal with the Wahhabist Saudi state, the most backward repressive state in the world. The very country that attacked the Twin Towers and the inspiration and backers of the Islamic State. You just couldn’t make this shit up!
VNA I am getting really worried now I am agreeing more and more with what you say, feck me I need to lie down lol, seriously though we are only reaping what we sowed, years and years of aggression handed out by the British Empire or rather the ruling upper classes. But it is Joe public who will pay the price re terror attacks while the landed gentry sit safe in their stately homes.
I see the security level has now been down graded from Critical to Severe, why simples seeing as it is a bank holiday the caring Tory Government would not be wanting to pay the police and security forces extra overtime now would they.
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(27-05-17, 04:36 PM)lew600fazer link Wrote: I see the security level has now been down graded from Critical to Severe, why simples seeing as it is a bank holiday the caring Tory Government would not be wanting to pay the police and security forces extra overtime now would they. Sounds to me very much like in Jaws when the Mayer is telling everyone the water is safe because the town is loosing money.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Yeah, 'cos Libya & Iraq were such jolly countries to live in before the leaders were taken out.
Nobody predicted the formation of ISIS, and their totally hands on barbarity. These people are just nutters due mainly to their backward thinking god bothering ways.
Anyway, stop picking holes in what everyone is saying, and give your opinion of how to resolve all this shit going on?
We have to start somewhere, whether it is deemed right or wrong, again by the PC brigade. Personally i think the mass immigration needs to stop for starters, EVERYONE i've ever spoken to about it said beforehand that crime would go up, there would be housing, school and NHS problems, and i dread to think how much more the benefits system pays out, but it's actually a lot worse than i ever imagined if truth be told.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(27-05-17, 04:45 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=lew600fazer link=topic=22643.msg261479#msg261479 date=1495899364]
I see the security level has now been down graded from Critical to Severe, why simples seeing as it is a bank holiday the caring Tory Government would not be wanting to pay the police and security forces extra overtime now would they. Sounds to me very much like in Jaws when the Mayer is telling everyone the water is safe because the town is loosing money.
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Well the way this country is sinking at the moment "We're gonna need a bigger boat." :lol
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Our "special relationship" with Saudi Arabia couldnt possibly have anything to do with our complete dependence on oil could it?
We throw up our hands in horror when others attack our way of life and when the likes of May states that there is absolutely no excuse for the recent actions of terrorists she is unable/unwilling to see that we, the West, are seen as the agressors that provoke such retaliation. She was trying to imply that Corbyn was in some sort of sympathy with terrorist action because of our past disastrous involvements in others affairs.
It is fundamentally wrong for any individual/nation to impose his/their will on another but this is the crux of the matter. (One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter etc etc).
The real problem as I see it is economic in that the developed countries in the western world will go to any lengths to ensure the flow of oil. Simultaneously, the poorer nations want their share of the cake but that would mean the rich cutting back which few will accept.
How do you get people to agree to share the planets resources as fairly as possible when we operate on fear & greed?
(27-05-17, 05:02 PM)Dave48 link Wrote: Our "special relationship" with Saudi Arabia couldnt possibly have anything to do with our complete dependence on oil could it? Yes that's right the Saudis have loads of oil, the sooner it runs out the better and we can turn to solar power -------- hold on they have also got loads of sunshine too DAMIT!
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(27-05-17, 05:30 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Dave48 link=topic=22643.msg261486#msg261486 date=1495900974]
Our "special relationship" with Saudi Arabia couldnt possibly have anything to do with our complete dependence on oil could it? Yes that's right the Saudis have loads of oil, the sooner it runs out the better and we can turn to solar power -------- hold on they have also got loads of sunshine too DAMIT!
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:lol
Not much water in the desert. Perhaps we can do a straight swap. (Cue hose pipe ban :rolleyes ).
Quote:seriously though we are only reaping what we sowed, years and years of aggression handed out by the British Empire or rather the ruling upper classes. But it is Joe public who will pay the price re terror attacks while the landed gentry sit safe in their stately homes.
We are a democracy Lew. “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
Quote:Our "special relationship" with Saudi Arabia couldnt possibly have anything to do with our complete dependence on oil could it?
Well we are hooked on it. And in return the Saudi’s get to spend all the money they got from us on weapons – which seems to be one of the few major industries we have left. And of course you ain’t gonna sell weapons unless there is conflict.
Quote:How do you get people to agree to share the planets resources as fairly as possible when we operate on fear & greed?
Steady on Dave! Fairness? That’s what we have people like Saddam Hussein for. We put him in charge, he got all the money, the people got fuck all and we got cheap oil. And of course, we got to sell him loads of weapons after we encouraged him to wage war against Iran. But then he had to get a bit uppity didn’t he. So we had to make up a cock and bull story in order to carry out some regime change.
Quote:Nobody predicted the formation of ISIS, and their totally hands on barbarity.
It’s just an evolution Islamic terrorism, we’ve been feeding it for years, it’s shocking but no surprise. Such barbarism is nothing new, it’s the sheer scale of it now.
(27-05-17, 04:45 PM)darrsi link Wrote: Anyway, stop picking holes in what everyone is saying, and give your opinion of how to resolve all this shit going on?
Quote: Ok, here's what we do....
:eek
He didn't really say this :pokefun
If it is all our own fault because our ancestors went empire building then why has ISIS killed more muslims than non muslims?
Remove ISIS then get the hell out of the middle east would be my first suggestion, if another dictator takes control, so be it, not our problem. Providing the oil keeps flowing I couldn't give a dam what goes on in the country.
Complete fabrication, I didn't make it up!
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