Possible terror attack Manchester

[joebloggs]

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We need to really ask ourselves if religion has a place in the 21st century

[Dudeofrude]

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We need to really ask ourselves if religion has a place in the 21st century

As much as I agree with you in terms of religion having no place in a modern world,  this isnt anything to do with it.
This is just sadistic fuck wits which want to cause harm and make a name for themselves. And I can guarantee within
hours 'Islamic state' will claim responsibility even though they had no hand in it.
It's a very upsetting time to have children on this planet, their future doesn't look great :-(

[Dudeofrude]

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[darrsi]

It's not a "possible" terror attack, it was a scumbag suicide bomber, loaded with bolts and screws, who at least fortunately died in the process.
No need to ask my thoughts on religion, but you might have a couple of billion people to convince otherwise.


Thoughts go out to anyone affected, just so pointless. 

[tommyardin]

What more can you say?
It makes you sick to your stomach to think that a human being can bring about such horrific injuries to another, as Darrsi said most likely a shrapnel type bomb designed not just to kill in the local explosion zone but to send out pieces of red hot metal like bullets in every direction causing as much harm as possible.
Why there are violent acts like this I will never understand, but it seems to be people trying to force their will over others, this is not converting anyone to your way of thinking or belief system it is mindless murder. To what gain? I have yet to understand. Thoughts and prayers to those who have lost loved ones and those who are injured.


We have recently had a post on foc-u about Brady the moors murderer, this bastard in Manchester last night took many more lives than he did, both I feel both have now got what they deserved.
I don't think many will mourn either of their passing.
My family and I are all off to the USA this coming Monday to visit my son in St Louis, Missouri, my wife is now all figity about flying.
I heard someone say that there is no such thing as a hoax bomb scare, the bomb my be a hoax but the scare is just the same for those involved, terror.

[BBROWN1664]

It's not a "possible" terror attack, it was a scumbag suicide bomber, loaded with bolts and screws, who at least fortunately died in the process.

Whilst I wouldn't want to waste taxpayers money on supporting this scumbag whilst he claimed we had infringed his humam rights etc, he has got away far to easily.

[darrsi]

What more can you say?
It makes you sick to your stomach to think that a human being can bring about such horrific injuries to another, as Darrsi said most likely a shrapnel type bomb designed not just to kill in the local explosion zone but to send out pieces of red hot metal like bullets in every direction causing as much harm as possible.
Why there are violent acts like this I will never understand, but it seems to be people trying to force their will over others, this is not converting anyone to your way of thinking or belief system it is mindless murder. To what gain? I have yet to understand. Thoughts and prayers to those who have lost loved ones and those who are injured.


We have recently had a post on foc-u about Brady the moors murderer, this bastard in Manchester last night took many more lives than he did, both I feel both have now got what they deserved.
I don't think many will mourn either of their passing.
My family and I are all off to the USA this coming Monday to visit my son in St Louis, Missouri, my wife is now all figity about flying.
I heard someone say that there is no such thing as a hoax bomb scare, the bomb my be a hoax but the scare is just the same for those involved, terror.

That's the worst part about all this, there is no gain whatsoever.
He hasn't got one over on an army during battle, or even a government, he's just devastated the lives of totally innocent families on a night out, it's just utterly pointless?

[Dave48]

Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.

[Wee Rocky]

Totally agree with you. People have the right to believe in whatever they want and I respect that but when their beliefs lead to terrorism and murder who in their right mind can agree with it. These religious fanatics are brain washed and very dangerous. Bad people do bad things but religion is the only thing that makes good people do bad things. Man made God, God didn't make man. My heart goes out to all the families that lost loved ones.

[Townhill]

What the Foc is going on in this world it makes me sick, defenceless innocent people out for a good time. Families who where affected by this cruel act will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.


Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena

[lew600fazer]

Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.

Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.

[fazersharp]

Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena

Seems like you have got part of your wish - the threat level has been raised to severe and in doing so has released armed troops on the streets. All we need to do now is get proper full control of our borders - immigration and asylum but wait - the british public have already said that is what they want, forget the silly scaremongering about voting for more austerity and less workers rights because this threat unlike those is real and if less rights and more austerity is the price to pay then I will gladly pay it - rather pay with £ than with blood.

[maddog04]

my heart goes out to everyone affected by the tragedy especially those families that have lost their loved ones, I don't know how I'd react if I lost my loved ones.

fazersharp....hear what you're saying but don't fall into the trap of excepting security at any cost.....HMG will default to austerity to justify their  means. We have/need more investment in our emergency services/security (MI 5/6, specialist Police armed response/SF) to up the ante
we can all be more vigilant but we don't need to be kept under to do it, we're the 6th most prosperous nation.....we have the money, HMG chooses not to spend it where its needed

[joebloggs]

I think if our governments learned to take care of our own business instead of interfering in other countries politics we'd be in a lot better place.

We were all shocked and disgusted at Mondays terror attack but how many shed a tear when our armed forces, under direction of Bush and Blair, directly or indirectly killed thousands every day. Of course we did it in the name of peace so thats OK, like we can indiscriminately kill men women and children without fear of repercussion as we had the moral high ground.

Remember the first night of shock and awe, sixty five cruise missiles slammed into Baghdad and the ensuing carnage was broadcast to the work like some sick fireworks display, I can't begin to imagine the terror of that bombardment, and that was just the start. That battle is still being fought on the streets of Iraqi, women and children still paying the price of our governments actions and we wonder why we are now spending untold millions on security to try to prevent terrorist attacks that we may have asked for.

Read Blowback by Chalmers Johnson, He wrote the book before 9/11 then wrote a 2nd edition including the twin towers attack.

[Dave48]

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Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.

Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.
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Lew I said "the people responsible".... of course this list would have to include those you mention. Perhaps Blair is top of my list since he picks up megabucks as a "f*****g PEACE ENVOY"! FFS

[Townhill]

Sorry Fazersharp misread,

[fazersharp]

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Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena

Seems like you have got part of your wish - the threat level has been raised to severe and in doing so has released armed troops on the streets. All we need to do now is get proper full control of our borders - immigration and asylum but wait - the british public have already said that is what they want, forget the silly scaremongering about voting for more austerity and less workers rights because this threat unlike those is real and if less rights and more austerity is the price to pay then I will gladly pay it - rather pay with £ than with blood.
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Each to their own just saying!
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I was actually agreeing with you and supporting you

[lew600fazer]

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[quote author=Dave48 link=topic=22643.msg261230#msg261230 date=1495557399]
Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.

Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.
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Lew I said "the people responsible".... of course this list would have to include those you mention. Perhaps Blair is top of my list since he picks up megabucks as a "f*****g PEACE ENVOY"! FFS
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Dave do your self a favour and see how Blair spends his mega bucks for f---k sake. Did Thatcher set up a fund to help disabled service personal? No when she had her service celebrating the victory in the Falklands she insisted the DAMAGED service men be sat at the back of the Cathtedral so as to avoid them being viewed as the TV were covering the event.


According to the South Atlantic Medal Association support group more veterans have committed suicide since the war than died during the fighting. All this agony was to save the political face of Tory prime minister Margaret Thatcher, and to show that Britain was still a world player.

[tommyardin]

We all have a say and opinions, some differ from others, and that OK, but the common uniting fact is that we all agree that something must be done to lessen the opportunities for these bastards to harm innocents, of course we should.


But we as a nation should hang our heads in shame as during 'The British Empire' and since, we have carried out terrible, wicked, violent acts around the world under the name of Christianity.
Now whether you give any credence to Christianity is a matter of individual choice. But some of the abuse our country has metered out to others is not and should not be under the guise of Christianity, its mostly about money and the financial abuse of those who were deemed weaker or of less value. Great Britain as we were once known
(Now United Kingdom, that is a joke in itself) have been leaders in the past when it comes to violence.
I fear in many ways we are reaping what we have sewn, I'm not saying it is right or that or that we should lay down and roll over and accept it, but, we should look at the way we as a Nation conducted ourselves in the past, try and make amends, apologise where we are able and also return financially where it is possible.


Now I'm getting my head down and waiting for the flack.
Remember my opinions are just as valid as yours but they maybe different.           

[lew600fazer]

Tommy I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but it was not the common man in the UK that suddenly said let's go and build an Empire. The common man was told what to do by the Landed Gentry , Kings and Queens , Lords & Ladies and they are still living of the plunder that took place during that so called glorious period in our bloody history.
For fecks sake the 1st world war was all about the Kings & Queens of Europe falling out , The Kaiser was pissed off because his dick was not as big as his cousins George's  dick. I am not a commie by any stretch of the imagination but the Bolsheviks perhaps went a bit to far in whacking their royals but it sorted the royals out for sure.



On February 04, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma,  (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions  with minorities in Russia :
“In Russia live Russians.  Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak  Russian, and should respect the Russian laws.  If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslims then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law.  Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture.  We had better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and  France, if we are to survive as a nation.  The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia.  The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of  Sharia Law and Muslims.  When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it  should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslim
minorities are not Russians.
The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.
Concerning our pussy footing around the terror threat here in the UK and all over the EU who is getting tired of the same old Line . THE BOMBER WAS KNOWN TO THE AUTHOURITIES. The PC brigade jump on the wagon and spout on about human rights and this is why these scumbags walk amongst us day in and day out.
This pricks are being radicalised here in the schools and mosques by preachers who preach nothing but hate, but perhaps the Moslims have learnt from the Christian faith or elements within the Christian faith,  The Jesuit maxim "Give me a child for his first seven years and I'll give you the man" surely this is a form of radicalisation