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(14-06-14, 06:42 PM)richfzs link Wrote: Nor me on mine :rollin
Do either of you have a steel rear brake line though?
All jokes aside here bikerdude i think you've answered your own question here in the thread....you openly admit that you tend to automatically press the back brake AFTER the front......everything I've learnt so far (which is only a short time) is that if anything the back brake should, if used at speed be applied BEFORE the front......just a dab really...enough to load more weight to the front so that the front can get more stopping power.
Think of your bikes back end suspended in mid air & the back wheel running....how much brake do you reckon it would take to lock that suspended & spinning back wheel......not much......that is in effect what is happening when you use the front brake & then step on the rear....not to mention the lack of coordination due to your body already moving forward after the front brake is applied and decreasing back brake finesse.
No great shakes though is it......ive locked up my front brakes twice so i need more front brake finesse.....none of us are perfect......but you used both on a mini roundabout.....how fast exactly were you going because mini roundabouts should not need banking over or both brakes.....10mph & a small weave maybe but not slamming on brakes.........straight line emergency stops maybe but not mini roundabouts.
But maybe the key perhaps lies in skills improvement...the continous cycle.....& im still trying.......by all means i scare myself sometimes but hey thats life & bikes are more complicated than most folk do them credit......fit some crap pads....but why not just take off the back brake in that case & see how you get on as it defo wont lock up if it isn't there will it mate? 
Personally i dont really use the back brake unless waiting at junctions & roundabouts & even then I'm learning to prefer front brake only.......enjoy the right peg as a peg & leave the thinking to the left side 8)
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
It is not possible to slow a motorcycle from speed quickly and in a stable manner only using the front brake. Why do you think they are fitted.
This is my last post on this but I am shocked at some of the posts. Good luck is all I can say to some of you.
(14-06-14, 09:47 PM)sirgalahad3 link Wrote: It is not possible to slow a motorcycle from speed quickly and in a stable manner only using the front brake. Why do you think they are fitted.
This is my last post on this but I am shocked at some of the posts. Good luck is all I can say to some of you.
Oh yes it is :nana :nana :nana
:lol
Easiest way to go fast........don't buy a blue bike
14-06-14, 10:22 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-06-14, 02:20 PM by Exupnut.)
Gotta agree with the above.... I hardly use my back brake apart from when its pissin down.... (Edited... Pissed waitin for footie)
Just flapping about on this stagnant little pond on the outer rim of the internet.....yup.... :-))
14-06-14, 11:13 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-06-14, 12:13 AM by b1k3rdude.)
(14-06-14, 08:54 PM)noggythenog link Wrote: How fast exactly were you going because mini roundabouts should not need banking over or both brakes..... It was either slowing down enough so I could go around it (it being a 3x4ft wet metal drain cover) or risk going over it while lent over. At least going with the brake it gave me more control than I would have had on the drain cover. Wtf the council have put one that large, in the middle of the road, on a junction, on a bend is beyond me.
To all those that only use their fronts, you have obviously gotten used to doing that. The rest of us mere mortals forget to only apply the front when in a mild or not so mild state of panic, its called being human.
In the mean time, I am going to adjust the brake pedal height, check the rear disk for straightness and change the rear pads.
(14-06-14, 09:47 PM)sirgalahad3 link Wrote: It is not possible to slow a motorcycle from speed quickly and in a stable manner only using the front brake. Why do you think they are fitted.
This is my last post on this but I am shocked at some of the posts. Good luck is all I can say to some of you.
I'd have to agree with Noggy on this. Admittedly I'm on a sportsbike, so the geometry is different, but if I'm braking hard then I use little to no rear brake, as the rear wheel is only just in contact with the ground. That said, they are rather handy for slow traffic or U turns, but that's pretty much it. Obviously a different story with someone on the back!
I did use the rear brake a bit more with the Fazers I've had, but not having the same weight distribution as my current bike means I could use the rear more with it actually having some effect!
I personally use my rear brake more than my front, prevents my front from diving at lights and junctions and the front forks being compressed when hitting a fast bend. It's all about personal preference and how you chose to ride. There is no right and wrong and all your self righteous comments are seriously flawed. :rollin
I rub my foot on my back tyre, i find this helps :lol
Nah, as said , check operation of rear brake is correct,not sticking at a particular point.Then a good idea was to drop the rear lever a little bit,then trust the front much more,and practice it,try a handful of brake,,wet or dry ,you will learn how affective it is.careful now.
An ageing test pilot for home grown widgets that may fail at anytime.
Times to use the rear brake.
On a steep downhill.
On loose surface.
In wet conditions.
For extra in an emergency situation.
When you've focced everything up going into a corner too late/fast and panic :lol
I try to stay off it for most normal riding, or when riding hard in good conditions, but there are times when a little dab can be useful. Gen 1 rears are very easy to lock!
mmmmmmmm...well i was`nt going to reply to this thread but :rolleyes .....i am surprised at how many of you dont use your rear brake...... i use mine lots,nick has a good list of when to use it,i also use it to loose some speed or to steady the bike whilst still having full grip on the throttle.......probs does explain why this site has so many "sticky/seized caliper threads " .......
One, is never going to be enough.....
When entering a roundabout or sharp corner I use rear brake along with a touch of throttle so when accelerating out the chain slack is taken up, then release brake and add more throttle for a smooth ride out.
where does the muffler go?
I don't know the comparison of % effectiveness of front and rear brakes,
i guess with twin disks and much larger diameter up front the front must be about 90% compared to rear 10% rear effective braking,,straight line,
There is a reason for the front being so big and effective , its because that is where ther most effective area to use brakes.
In MOTO GP racing the rear is almost never used,,but Nicky Hayden was known for over heating his rear brake all said to be due to his riding background, which was dirt bikng.
An ageing test pilot for home grown widgets that may fail at anytime.
Mick Doohan after destroying his lower right leg had his team install a rear brake lever on the left bar, for discussion's sake anyway!
where does the muffler go?
My previous comments look a bit self righteous.......i was pissed up & waiting for the football to start :rolleyes ............i dont really know what im talking about....well i do...but only with regards to my own riding style........like i say i have locked up the front wheel twice now so i have some lessons to learn also but the fact remains that locking up the back brake all the time probably means you need to change a habit that has become ingrained.
& lowering the brake pedal was one of the best adjustments i ever made......it's like a 6 foot five person jumping into a nissan micra & pulling the seat fully in towards the steering wheel & then still expecting to have good clutch control.
Good luck, it must be annoying.
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(15-06-14, 07:09 AM)Camshaft link Wrote: When entering a roundabout or sharp corner I use rear brake along with a touch of throttle so when accelerating out the chain slack is taken up, then release brake and add more throttle for a smooth ride out. Who taught you that!
Or are you saying your chain is too slack?
Quote:It is not possible to slow a motorcycle from speed quickly and in a stable manner only using the front brake.
You what? Must be something wrong with your bike bud.
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