Bloody cyclists always get in the way!

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[quote author=Razgruff link=topic=7544.msg73516#msg73516 date=1367617788]
I think that Counter steering gets explained wrong which confuses people, this pushing bars thing is wrong, the bars are somewhere to rest you hands,
and stop them flapping about in the wind 

I always understood countersteering as something you did in a car, when you flick the steering wheel the wrong way to kick the arse out to start what they call drifting now. :rolleyes

To me what they call countersteering on bikes these days, is counter weighing, steering the bike with your waist and hips, the bars aren't pushed left or right.
One goes down giving the impression of being pushed because your elbow straightens and the other comes up giving the impression of being pulled because that elbow bends more.
I've followed a couple of people recently, I don't know if they are new bikers or fairweathers that haven't been out for a while, but you can see the stiffness in there bodies.
That tight neck raised shoulders. rod like back no flexablity in the body. if that did a bit of Weaving like GP racers do to warm their tyres up it would help them to loosen up the body and and get the feel for the bikes abilities again.

One last thing that i've finally relented to which i think is related to counter steer is leaning over the tank.
I always thought it was another one of those Moto GP copycat moves & wasnt particularly bothered about wind blast unless doing high speed straight lining so i chose not to do it, certainly not for cornering.

Much to my surprise then on my last run when i tried it.The difference was quite dramatic & i was straight on the phone to my old man to discuss why it made such a difference.

So what we hypothesised in the end was that it was maybe to do with lowering the weight & centre of gravity bla bla bla which i didnt totally think was responsible but then it clicked...whilst hunkered over i was more in line with the bars instead of being above them.
This meant that when i counter steered round a corner all of the effort was going out forwards on the bars.When i am upright most of the weight is transferred downwards with the remainder going forwards.

In a nutshell, leaning over the tank made it easier to counter steer with the bars, i wasnt moving my body around all that much.My arms were also more bent & it was easier to keep a loose grip whilst counter steering.
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This point is also highlighted in TotW - they go over the fact that sports bikes cause you to posture so that your forearms are parallel to the road which allows all of your input to be fully translated in to the handlebars for easy control