14-05-12, 06:00 PM
Quote:If you must think back to say Queen Vickies time- think how under the empire things improved in the countries that were part of the empire and how quickly they reverted to tribalism and barbarism as soon as we left... think of most of the African countries for example- Rhodesia- now Mugabe land- I dont think our history is too bad as an influencing nation.
Gosh! I don't think that invading and taking over other countries as one's own can ever be justified, nor can it be something to be proud of. Barbarism? Oh yes there was plenty of that! However I think that the British, given time, learned a great deal from their colonial experience.
I'm far from being brilliant when it comes to history. But if I remember correctly Rhodesia declared independence from the UK under the white supremacist government of Ian Smith, this against Britain's then policy of no independence without majority rule.
The racist minority Rhodesian government turned down opportunity after opportunity with many moderate black leaders to move towards a peaceful and inclusive democracy. So hence, eventually, and inevitably, Mr Mugabe.
Rhodesia split into Zambia and Zimbabwe. While Zimbabwe is currently a basket case under Mugabe, in recent years things have begun to look up for Zambia.
And of course as the old colonial powers lost their grip across Africa, we then had the cold war superpowers manipulating and fighting for control or influence across Africa. Furthermore the following so called free market globalisation did nothing to help third world economies to get back on their feet. The state of Africa really is an issue for the west, it's largely our doing.
Perhaps the good stuff 'we' leaned from the days of the Empire are slipping away. Thatcher openly supported apartheid, while our current Tory government talks of putting British trade before human rights.
Quote:If you have done good things and Queenie would like to give you a gong are you really worried that this countries wealth was built on oppression and empire several hundreds of years before you or the tree huggers were born and at a different time and circumstancesSo no, the people I really respect are those who turn down such awards.