(13-05-20, 01:46 PM)Gnasher link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=26147.msg314421#msg314421 date=1589371880]
1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
At no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..
With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.
Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.
It matters not, what of your interpreted categories you think he falls in, they yours not the emergency measures. The list the Welch government closed is the same as in England at the time and is extensive https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-c...d-premises there would alosbe other business that couldn't operate as something they or supplied went to a business that was shut, so by definition they can't continue trading. Or perhaps their all lazy sods too?
The chap works in whatever business in England that was shut for whatever reason, he now needs to go back to work in England due to the changes in England, it couldn't by definition be essential or directly/indirectly working for or supplying an essential business or he wouldn't have been off.
This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of.
And are you still saying my Mrs and everybody else that's furloughed is lazy sod, as you've conveniently dodged that question?
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Gnasher - I provided a link to the welsh assembly wording. The UK wording is very similar. Only certain businesses were forced to close. Others chose to close for a variety of reasons. As for the "lazy sods" comment, read it again. I actually said " the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home". The key word there is "chose". i.e wont go back to work even though they could.
13-05-20, 03:32 PM (This post was last modified: 13-05-20, 04:10 PM by Gnasher.)
(13-05-20, 02:48 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: Gnasher - I provided a link to the welsh assembly wording. The UK wording is very similar. Only certain businesses were forced to close. Others chose to close for a variety of reasons. As for the "lazy sods" comment, read it again. I actually said " the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home". The key word there is "chose". i.e wont go back to work even though they could.
BBrown1664
Your selection of words and the context in how it is meant is open to interpretation, well sort of. The phase "but chose to sit at home" and your on the word 'chose' is implying it was a choice made by someone who's been furloughed. They had no input in that decision what so ever i.e. no choice. They were furloughed by either their employer or forced to close as self employed by direct closure of their workplace or business by the government, they no choice. Neither do they have any choice of staying on furlough, if their work place reopens they go back to work, if after July they don't the employer will have to support the furlough cost, these as yet haven't been announced. If an employer is working a flanker they'll have to start paying for it, the employee has no input or choice what so ever.
Your play with words is utter bollocks and you know it.
I repeat my question are you still saying my Mrs and all those furloughed are and for your benefit choosing to be lazy sods?
Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. top and :foc
(13-05-20, 04:38 PM)slappy link Wrote: Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. top and :foc
The reason this thread is here fella is because of politics :lol :lol so :foc
Quote:Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
May I correct that for you;
Quote:this thread was started by the OP as to remind people who live in England they could just go out on their bike for a ride in England if they chose to do so
I can assure every one that my intentions were to just remind people they could go out on their bikes today without fear of being pulled by the police just for being on a bike. Not to wind our fellow the Scottish & Welsh riders up, unlike some, I have more constructive things to do. No mine has stayed in the garage today but it won't tomorrow. Had to take my dog over the fields he exercises in but hasn't been able to go there as I've been sticking to the lock down and not driving my cage.
(13-05-20, 01:11 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: 1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
Quote:I can assure every one that my intentions were to just remind people they could go out on their bikes today without fear of being pulled by the police just for being on a bike.
Get out there and enjoy. :thumbup
I'm looking forward to the day I can do likewise. Though I do get to ride to and from work every other week.
(13-05-20, 08:49 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=26147.msg314421#msg314421 date=1589371880]
1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
[/quote]That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(13-05-20, 09:45 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Grahamm link=topic=26147.msg314457#msg314457 date=1589399352]
[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=26147.msg314421#msg314421 date=1589371880]
1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
[/quote]That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
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Tim Martin - Wetherspoons
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
13-05-20, 10:01 PM (This post was last modified: 14-05-20, 01:56 PM by fazersharp.)
(13-05-20, 09:48 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26147.msg314463#msg314463 date=1589402755]
[quote author=Grahamm link=topic=26147.msg314457#msg314457 date=1589399352]
[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=26147.msg314421#msg314421 date=1589371880]
1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed
2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed
3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially
4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed
5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughed
Some laid off their staff and told them to "get jobs at Tesco" until a massive public backlash forced them to backtrack...
[/quote]That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
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Tim Martin - Wetherspoons
[/quote]Oh yes I knew who it was its just the exact words that he said that I cant be arsed to find, If Grahamm comes back with another false quote I will have to go and find it.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
If the people gather in mass at beauty spots, beaches, etc and don't keep to social distancing we will be back to lockdown. As a group we who ride bikes can do our bit, go out and enjoy your rides but use your common sense don't gather in large groups and when you do stop observe social distancing let us not be the ones blamed for another lock down. We are a small group of the public so easy for the masses to blame.
ENJOY YOUR RIDES, KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN, BE SAFE
(14-05-20, 07:05 AM)steve 10562cc link Wrote: If the people gather in mass at beauty spots, beaches, etc and don't keep to social distancing we will be back to lockdown. As a group we who ride bikes can do our bit, go out and enjoy your rides but use your common sense don't gather in large groups and when you do stop observe social distancing let us not be the ones blamed for another lock down. We are a small group of the public so easy for the masses to blame.
ENJOY YOUR RIDES, KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN, BE SAFE
I don't usually go and ride to a biker spot and get off, I just go out for a ride and come back. There used to be a big bike meet near me once a week mid week that was interesting to go to but never understood how people would just ride directly to it and get off and wander around, for me it would be a quick stop off on my way home of an evening out.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Quote: That is not how it was said, Can't be arsed to find the exact quote but it was along the lines of "please you are welcome to go and get a job at tescos or something to keep a good income and your job will be waiting for you when you return".
(13-05-20, 08:28 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: Gnasher, you obviously have an issue with something. From what you say, your wife is not one of the lazy sods as she doesnt have a choice. Satisfied?
Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
BBROWN1664
My issue as you put it, is people who make ridiculous bigoted and slanderous comments about others, based on small minded attitudes and biased opinions.
Judging from your last statement
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Others who run small businesses who have decided to close their business and grab the money for nothing on the other hand....
I put it to you, it's you who's got an issue, perhaps you're a failed businessman or just don't like the fact others have skills or abilities you don't have and they can make money out of them. Or is it you're just too lazy or unskilled to try? You're persistence in still making bigoted and slanderous comments about the small businesses now, is noted and I'm/we're assuming you have some kind of evidence or proof in these accusations, or did you just make them up based on small minded and clearly biased attitude you have towards people running small businesses?
The real and pressing question has now to be are you really fit to be an Administrator with such bigoted views? I'd argue you're not.
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