17-01-18, 10:59 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-18, 11:45 PM by VNA.)
I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
Quote:But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK
Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves :lol ).
Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.
Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
Quote:Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,
Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal, or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
Quote:You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god) still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
Quote:The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Indeed YamFazYam.
In order to avoid jail he had to agree to treatment.
Quote:The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Indeed YamFazYam.
In order to avoid jail he had to agree to treatment.
The chemical treatment was chemical castration.
Barbaric.
And fairly recent history too. I think he committed suicide shortly after didn't he?.
Thank goodness those days are committed to the past.
18-01-18, 03:30 AM (This post was last modified: 18-01-18, 03:43 AM by tommyardin.)
(17-01-18, 10:59 PM)VNA link Wrote: [size=1em]
I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
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Quote:[size=1em]But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK[/size]
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Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves :lol ).
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Quote:[size=1em]It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.[/size]
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Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
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Quote:[size=1em]Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,[/size]
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Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal, or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
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Quote:[size=1em]You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)[/size]
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The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god) still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
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(17-01-18, 10:59 PM)VNA link Wrote: [size=1em]
I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
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Quote:[size=1em]But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK[/size]
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Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. Facts, conclusions and opinions of experts[/size]That sounds to me you like listening to popular opinions
I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves). Your compassionate, understanding and do your best not to judge others, unless others opinions differ from yours.
Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
No judgement here from me, it just what happened when democracy changed the ruling, and not going to jail was the outcome, read that 67 Act.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.[/quote] Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other,I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA
Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. For a man who does not give a fuck about popular opinions and likes to think for himself, you certainly keep going back to those that do hold those opinions as a reference point. And, of course, there has always been gay people. Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. Are these facts? Or just according to you Oh! fucking wise one. Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become? did the twat who mowed people down with car have no choice? was he just doomed to be a murder, was it in his genes? if he had no choice then is there no guilt?
And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
I have not discriminated against anyone here, but, I'm afraid people are discriminated because of what they are in every walk of life. I am not saying it is right or proper but it certainly is that way. Now that's a fact.
Quote:Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,
Below is the whole quote and not just a part of it.
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community, but also don't tell me its normal and the way it was designed, if we all go that direction the human race is focced, it's just that 51% are OK with it, not that 51% are gay it's just that we can not be seen to be prejudiced in any way.
Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal.It would seem to me that you believe that a homosexual act is normal then, again that your opinion. If you used a more accurate choice of words and wrote as I did and wrote ‘its not normal’ rather than ‘They are not normal’ you have accused me of saying something about the person, when as you can clearly see I was saying something about the act. or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are. I have read through my previous post, I see no where that I have been an advocate of, again your words not mine, locking them up, punish them, torture them and discriminated against them, I did say and I quote ‘don’t tell me that its normal and the way it was designed, I still don’t believe it is the way we were designed and anyone with a modicum of sense would have to agree, we are creative people who have children together and continue the species.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly. Again VNA you paraphrase to suit your case. I am surprised you used the word cunt and not arsehole.
Quote:You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god)< (Sounds a bit discriminatory VNA surely not, not from you?)still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
Honestly you believe there are millions of people who would wish to die when they choose?The population of the United Kingdom is 66.5 million souls, now VNA says there are millions who would choose to die when they want to, using VNA’s words I am assuming millions is more than one million, so I will go for two million people who would make this choice, 2% of 66.5 million people is 1.33 million, and that’s how many VNA seems to think would choose to die in this country if they were allowed. And he called me a cnut
I can see that you don't give a fuck about popular opinion VNA, because popular opinion is what the majority think, and it was that opinion that lead to the Decriminalisation Act of 67 and you seem in your ignorant way to read into everything that I have said the way your shallow mind sees fit.Read through my post again and highlight where I have said that gay people are wrong or should be punished, tortured, imprisoned, discriminated against. [size=1em]Fucking idiot.[/size]
People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
(18-01-18, 12:43 PM)mtread link Wrote: People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
Another example of word twisting. How on earth can you be born in the "wrong body"?
As a young man at the time of the 67 Act, with a keen interest in politics and economics at the time, I can tell you that it wasn't popular opinion that led to the Act.
Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
(18-01-18, 02:33 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
:lol
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(18-01-18, 12:43 PM)mtread link Wrote: People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
Its true it is non of our business, unless we have to pay for it, special toilets in school, gender neutral police uniforms and the head doctors needed when this lot are 40 and realise the world don't revolve around them.
And I object to being told I have to fit in with this, when you fill in a gov form now the list of choices is mindblowing.
Interestingly it doesn't seem to be a problem in countries where they are too busy working to feed themselves.
I would like to point out I have not mentioned gay people in any of this.
Its just the don't knows !!
(18-01-18, 02:33 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
Simply pointing out that the majority of ordinary working people felt great unease, and that it may lead to further relaxations in legislation, including reducing the age of consent down as far as 16 years of age
Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have
Quote:As a young man at the time of the 67 Act, with a keen interest in politics and economics at the time, I can tell you that it wasn't popular opinion that led to the Act.to go to jail anymore.
I’m a bit at a loss that Tommy seems to think the UK is run by referendum, and not as it had been for quite some time a representative democracy. Representative democracies still have to take note of public opinion but do not necessarily have to abide by popular public opinion. And representative democracy is far far better then relying on referendums to make policy decisions.
So as Agricola points out the 1967 act in England and Wales had foc all to do with public opinion. Indeed, far far from it.
You can of course dig out all sorts of statics over the years on gay rights, and even today the ignorant views as displayed here by you Tommy are not that uncommon (though that will change steadily with time as the older generations die off).
Also the 1967 act may have decriminalised homosexual activity between men but it sure didn’t end discrimination, and if you were gay you still needed to keep a very low profile. In the four years after 1967, for example, convictions for consensual gay offences rose by almost 400%
Quote:Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other, I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA
I’m an atheist. My thoughts are, that for now, that employers such as churches have been given breathing space to adapt, to sort their house out, not just by the law but by the general public. But they know, and we know that at some point they have to comply with the law. I do not believe that either their congregations or the public at large will accept that the bigots in the religious hierarchy are to be afforded some special right to discriminate and operate outside of the law of the land.
Quote:Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become?
Perhaps this is the root of your problem Tommy. Why don’t you run a foc u poll on that? I’m not sure what the result would be, but it would be interesting. I suspect that those who believe that sexuality is simply a choice are very much in the minority, and further suspect that many such people are religious individuals in denial of their true sexuality. A large percentage of homophobic people, and often those who vehemently oppose gay rights are actually gay. They are gays in denial.
As for choice, how many times have we heard gay folks saying, particularly when growing up, that they would have given anything to have been born straight. It can’t be easy being gay particulary when you have to constantly face such ignorant prejudice as displayed by people such as yourself Tommy.
Quote:the most loving and sensitive of these dear folk were the people who had Down Syndrome.
One could argue that just as being gay is not ‘normal’ nor is down syndrome, nor is it ‘natural’ or the way we are supposed to be “designed” (whatever) that is supposed to mean but it does, just like being gay, naturally occur.
Quote:Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others.
Survey after survey and poll after poll. Sometimes I wonder if you were born yesterday Tommy. But you know most of us get to a certain age, and well develop a certain understanding of illness and death. A lot of us see people suffer long lingering deaths – ie a good bit before it becomes our turn. Right now I have a relative who’s developed motor neuron disease in the last couple of years. He’s quite advanced now – where he is now, if there was a way out, an opportunity to take his own life he’d jump at it. I, like the majority in this country, would, if in a similar predicament like that opportunity too.
Quote:I’m a bit at a loss that Tommy seems to think the UK is run by referendum, and not as it had been for quite some time a representative democracy. Representative democracies still have to take note of public opinion but do not necessarily have to abide by popular public opinion. And representative democracy is far far better then relying on referendums to make policy decisions.
The government seems hell bent on everyone being fitted with smart meters instead of that I actually think that we all need a smart voting console and get a vote on absolutely everything.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Well, what a surprise, a whole lot of posts from a bunch of armchair "experts" who think that what they were told when they were growing up is "normal" and anything else means you're wrong, mentally ill or just deluded.
Fuck it. I was going to write a long post here, but I see *NO* point in trying to deal with this sort of closed-minded bigotry.
Here's some reading for you, although I doubt you'll pay any attention to it...
Here’s an interesting one brought to my attention the other day that’s in The Bible apparently.
I doubt it’s mentioned too much in church though, probably due to the massive hypocrisy.
Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
