Computer related

[Kosmic Kartman]

OK I sort of get the drift that it's computer related.

The online website builder was being run on my main PC through a browser window and not stand alone app. I was working on this, publishing after the changes and additions then checking the changes in another tab, refreshing the page to see the changes. All was working fine until 28th July when I refreshed the published site and found the drop downs had stopped working.

I then checked my laptop 1 running Vista and that was still working. I went downstairs and checked on my other laptop 2 (windows 8.1) and that was still working.

Now back in my studio I restart my PC and check again... No joy. Go back downstairs check the website again and the drop downs have now stopped working on that. Previous to that the Weebly site builder had not been opened or run on this laptop.

That's what I can't get my head around.

Also, last night before I went out they had stopped working. I left the computer on exactly where it was on my website. Come back home 5 hours later and they are working again? Then this morning they're not?

Checked in safe browsing and they don't drop down in that either.

If it's computer related how does it turn itself on and off ie works sometimes and not others, last night being a good example, and why is it suddenly effecting two PC's one of which had never run the weebly website builder until Friday last week when I was away and took the laptop to try and resolve it?

Following on from that other weebly website I mentioned above. I've come across lots of other websites with dropdown menus that work BUT the only sites that don't work on this PC are the weebly based sites... Go figure.

WTF have they done to my putters?

[mtread]

Your Web page editor will be producing Dynamic Html, otherwise known as Javascript to do these clever things like drop down menus. Html on it's own is not capable of this. It may well create CSS style sheets as well to keep appearance consistent.
All browsers 'parse' these web pages and interpret the combined Html and Javascript instructions. The way they read Html is fairly consistent, but not necessarily so with Javascript. Javascript is routine based code, like any programming language, whereas Html is just a set of tagged commands read in strict order.
Browsers set to 'safe mode' will almost certainly switch Javascript off to counteract malicious code, but that is also why the drop downs don't work when you switch to safe.
So my guess is the problem is caused by a combination of :
The way your editor produces the Javascript,  and
Your browsers settings
I'm also guessing, given that you can sporadically see them, something on your pc is changing your browser settings back and forth.
The good news is that it's not something on the hosting  server side, as we can all see the pages fine. It's only you that can't see your Web pages correctly :-)

[Kosmic Kartman]

Cheers mtread.

I've been revamping the site today to eliminate drop down menus because I didn't know what else to do. Just done one section to find that the thumbnails don't open on this PC now but they did an hour ago because I tested what would work and what wouldn't.

Dynamic html, CSS, parse, java

PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEEE    HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP

What can I check or do to my settings?

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[mickvp]

Well that depends on the browser.

http://enable-javascript.com

[Kosmic Kartman]

Well that depends on the browser.

http://enable-javascript.com

Cheers Mick. I tried this reading up on Java last week and came across that site earlier this week. Checked and it was enabled. Had another look this morning as well.

However... Remember the Javascript test code I tried last week. Well I opened it up in a new browser tab IE11 just now and... It said sorry mate java is off. So I looked at the internet options again and says still enabled. With Firefox it opens as already on.



So I click allow on the box at the bottom and...



???

Also read something about Active X but didn't quite understand. Could that be the problem.

Also hit F12 instead of backspace and this window popped up asking if I wanted to de-bug the site because of errors... This might mean something to you. Think it's Klingon.




Is there anything that I can check or change to make blanket setting that would work with all browsers - Firefox, Chrome and IE11 ?

[mtread]

Don't forget it's Javascript you need to look for, not Java. Two entirely different technologies.

[Kosmic Kartman]

Don't forget it's Javascript you need to look for, not Java. Two entirely different technologies.

Anywhere else I should be checking this apart from here?

http://enable-javascript.com

[Kosmic Kartman]

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Thumbnail images have started to open again.

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[Dead Eye]

"ActiveX" in IE is generally any sort of embedded dynamic code - though this isn't the official meaning. This covers JavaScript (JS) and IE does have various levels of security depending on the location of the document you are trying to read. Local files are subjected to quite a strict policy (hence the ActiveX warning and JS being off) which is to help prevent against malicious attacks.

There is definitely some sort of combination on the devices you are using that appear to be causing you the issues; do you have a particular Anti-Virus running? Sometimes these can interfere with run-time events.

The weird part is that you left your PC for a while, with the page still loaded and came back to it working. That almost sounds like some sort of network transmission issue where the browser loads the structure (HTML) and styling (CSS) but struggles to load the JS. I assume your internet connection is generally stable?

The main.js file is fairly large (238KB - for comparison I have handwritten files that are 1750~ lines of code at around 50KB) but that is what you tend to get with these sorts of systems. Could be taking the system some time to parse it, especially since it is compressed before transfer... though having said that my network logs show that it gets processed pretty quickly from the CDN (24ms using a Private Window) - compare that to 300ms+ for the likes of custom.js at 82KB

Apologies... I'm rambling a bit here, just trying to talk the whole thing through with myself essentially and see if I can think of something specific. These online editors are useful for those who want to build their own website but have no programming knowledge, but they sure are inefficient...



One more quick note; those thumbnails are controlled by... wait for it... JAVASCRIPT  :lol

[Val]

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Thumbnail images have started to open again.

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Would you tell us what is the anti-virus software and/or antimalware installed on the PCs that error happens and on any PC that never happens?

[Kosmic Kartman]

On the PC and the laptop I'm having problems with they are running BullGuard and on the laptop that's working this is running AVG 2015.

As a foot note a few days ago I added some more images and published the site. I opened up the website in a tab and the thumbnails enlarged - Whooop I thought. While this working tab was open I then opened up another tab and went to my website Arghhhh! thumbnails in this newly opened tab didn't work. Switch between the tabs one was working and the other not.

I've left my computer on over the last few days with these tabs open. This morning one was still working and the other not. As soon as I refreshed the working tab the thumbnail stopped opening.

Since pressing the F12 button, on a few occasions I've had a dialog box open when the site is loading. Saying there are errors on the site which may cause it not to display correctly and do I want to debug and fix problems... continue or cancel.

Every time I press cancel I get another message with an error message this happens until I've cancelled all the error messages then the site opens.

Line 65 '_w' is undefined
Line 424 Object does not support property or method up
Line 84 'Prototype' is undefined
Line 1 '_wAMD' is undefined
Line 617 Object unexpected
Line 2      "            "
Line 172  "            "
Line 63 '_w' is undefined
Line 82 'Prototype' is undefined
Line 424 Object does not support property or method up
Line 73 '_w' is undefined
Line 92 'Prototype' is undefined

Clicking on the "About" page on the site.
Line 63 '_w' is undefined
Line 82 'Prototype' is undefined
Line 1 '_wAMD' is undefined
Line 424 Object does not support property or method up

There are error boxes that appear on other pages but all the above boxes do not appear everytime the website in launched.

The online site editor has no problems running.

I'll see what happens when I disable the Antivirus but I'm sure I've tried that when I first hit problems with this.

I'll let you know.

[Kosmic Kartman]

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Thumbnail images have started to open again.

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Would you tell us what is the anti-virus software and/or antimalware installed on the PCs that error happens and on any PC that never happens?
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OH YOU FUCKING GENIUS  :lol


Tuned of everything in the Bullguard Anti virus and everything is working on every fucking browser... Even the drop down on other weebly websites except I deleted all mine  :rollin

Thumb nails are opening and loading without errors.

So to my next question... What In BullGuard could be causing it?

Best make your first question and answer the right instead of the last.  :lol

OH I LOVE YOU ALL

[Val]

Glad the problem is solved Ad 

I have no idea what in BullGuard may be causing it, but I am very carefull with installing fancy anti-virus on any of my PC. Some AV/malware tend to be very aggresive in screwing up even your OS to a point sometime you need reinstalling the Windows.

Hence I stick with few stable ones only like AVG and Microsoft security essential.

[Kosmic Kartman]

Cheers Val

Anti virus software came installed on my PC by my local computer shop.

I needed a MC that afternoon to finish a BIG job ASAP

I bought it to replace my Mac G5 that had a several major crashes and became unrecoverable - Hard drive and several boards fryed. Constant power cuts to the national grid didn't help either, even with ant surge plugs and sockets installed in my studio. I asked for a custom built M/C that would do everything my Mac would for half the price. So far it's delivered.

I'm on to BullGuard Live Chat as soon as I finish my Mmmmmmmmmm Bacon sandwich.

I'll PM you with a reminder re the Promo Code when I finally get this website sorted.

At least I can see light at the end of the tunnel now.

Thanks again everyone who's helped.

[Dead Eye]

Awww... I suggested that

My post may have been slightly more long-winded though haha

[Kosmic Kartman]

OK Update.

It was the antivirus and when it updated it reset something in the safe browsing part that should not have been sent out with the update. One little check box has been changed and all is hunky dory. So now I'm back to rebuilding my website with drop down menus, thumbnails that open, even BIGGER and even better.

It's been said before and I'll say it again.

No matter if you have probs with computers, engines, fridges, a wife that is malfunctioning, a screwdriver that you don't understand or discharge from your wee hole - There is always someone to help out... Well maybe not the latter.

Cheers Guys and Gals.

FOC-U YOU ARE AWESOME.

[Dead Eye]

Great news Kosmic; I look forward to seeing the site up and running

(I'm a Web Developer... this stuff interests me )

[mtread]

discharge from your wee hole

1. Dip it in some Dettol
2. Stay away from Ipswich 
There you go 

[mickvp]

glad to hear you got it sorted Ade

At least you know why they call it BULLguard now :lol