How many

[nick crisp]

Yeah I am on that forum all it is shite.

How come? Is it that Fazer riders are just a better class of people?  :lol

[pilninggas]

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I have a foot in each camp! :lol . Both excellent bikes-but different.

Indeed, an IL4 compared to a parallel twin I would've thought would be very different in character. Another reason I don't think the MT series has a place here. The MT10 perhaps more so as a replacement for the FZ1, using a retuned version of an R1 engine, as have all the litre Fazers - but it still ain't a Fazer!
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For me the MT10 is the only bike that is very removed from the Fazer-family principles. The Fazers and MT03,07,09 and tracers are all do-anything bikes - it prolly why we like them. The MT10 is very much pitched at taking on big european sports muscle. As a Gen 2 thou owner, i wouldnt consider it a replacement. It's more like pure sports with no fairing.

[johnakay]

Does anybody know how the Tracer 700 stacks up against the fzs 600-is it any better?
[/size]you can't compare the two.2 different bikes altogether.
many a times  I've said if yamaha ever bring out another Fazer 600 just as good as the old fox eye..I would buy it.
so the nearest is the tracer 700 yes it its a twin.
I like the Tracer as much as the Fazer so I'm happy.
the fazer was/is a lot smoother more powerful and good on fuel.
Tracer has more torque at the lower end of revs which suit me fine. top speed no longer interest me.
I ride two up most of the time and get between 65/70 mpg.
the only thing I dont like is the fuel gauge start flashing and goes on count down at 180 miles .
fill her up at 190 miles on the clock only to find I can put 9.4 ltrs in still got 7.6 ltrs in.
which is annoying ,it would've been flashing at with 4 ltrs left in.
overall I'm happy and very pleased .
oh and I changed the front sprocket from 16 to 17 so now no longer looking for that illusive 7th gear :lol

[Dave48]

Some further impressions from ownership...
Comfort: Tracer fine solo but a bit cramped 2 up although pillion pegs not as "extreme" as pure sports bikes,not as relaxing for pillion as Fazer which has more room & a better seat.
Overall finish: Will definitely require regular cleaning/applications of protective chemicals like ACF50 if you ride all year round-some of the fasteners are showing signs of discolouration @ 2000 miles use.
Havent needed to change front sprocket as built in gear position indicator tells me what the Fazer doesnt.
Fuel economy: 71mpg to date-I am not an exuberant rider these days!
Fuel warning light: Comes on far too soon.
Fitting of Kappa rear arms & plate: Really needed 3 hands for this job which required disconnecting indicator & rear no plate lamp leads under seat to then position mounting plate under rear "tray"-bit of a faff but looks tidy fitted.
Engine power: 74 bhp(quoted) is plenty for the chassis/suspension to cope with in standard form.Plenty of low down drive without revving the guts out of it.
Relaxed higher gear cruising but enough power to get past slow stuff without drama.
Value for money: I bought mine last autumn before the £600 price hike this year so £6345 OTR.
Accessories: I immediately fitted an R&G radiator protector then mushroom bobbins to swing arm for chain maintenance etc(There is no centre stand which is a shame). Have also fitted adjustable clutch/brake levers.
Am I pleased with the bike? Very much so but IT IS NOT A FAZER so dont really think direct comparisons in order.
It is an extremely good all rounder and has the "fun factor" for me so am more than happy with it.

[VNA]

 

For me the MT10 is the only bike that is very removed from the Fazer-family principles. The Fazers and MT03,07,09 and tracers are all do-anything bikes - it prolly why we like them. The MT10 is very much pitched at taking on big european sports muscle. As a Gen 1 thou owner, i wouldnt consider it a replacement. It's more like pure sports with no fairing.

Bought my FZS1000 new in 2004, and I was considering a new MT10 this year.  Got home improvements on my mind now.  Maybe buy the MT10 next year.
But yes, it is the evolution of the FZS1000.  The original FZS1000 took the R1 engine, retuned it for more mid-range and torque and stuck it in a everyday useable chassis/package. 
The Gen 2 became more sports or fun biased as has the MT10.  But they are still, ride all day, all-rounders.  Though I wonder if a GT Tracer (MT10, with a bigger tank, maybe a new softer chassis, half fairing and proper integrated full luggage options) is maybe on it’s way for those of us lusting after a 2018 FZS1000
Forum?  Remember the Dutch English Fazer Board?  Became Marion’s Fazer Pages or something before morphing into FOC-U.  Many thanks to all those who have been involved and run these sites for us.  Personally, I think while the evolution of the Fazer continues as the MT and Tracer series, sadly the evolution of Dutch-English-Marion-Foc-u seems to have ground to a halt.  The Fazer must have had one of the best web forums out there. 
I mean I looked at a couple of MT10 forums, and frankly they are pants – utter crap.

[nick crisp]

I looked at a couple of MT10 forums, and frankly they are pants – utter crap.

Could it be just that the bike is so recent, there's no real user knowledge about for them yet? If so, they do seem to be selling quite well, so I'd imagine that would improve before long.

[pilninggas]

 

For me the MT10 is the only bike that is very removed from the Fazer-family principles. The Fazers and MT03,07,09 and tracers are all do-anything bikes - it prolly why we like them. The MT10 is very much pitched at taking on big european sports muscle. As a Gen 1 thou owner, i wouldnt consider it a replacement. It's more like pure sports with no fairing.

Bought my FZS1000 new in 2004, and I was considering a new MT10 this year.  Got home improvements on my mind now.  Maybe buy the MT10 next year.
But yes, it is the evolution of the FZS1000.  The original FZS1000 took the R1 engine, retuned it for more mid-range and torque and stuck it in a everyday useable chassis/package. 
The Gen 2 became more sports or fun biased as has the MT10.  But they are still, ride all day, all-rounders.  Though I wonder if a GT Tracer (MT10, with a bigger tank, maybe a new softer chassis, half fairing and proper integrated full luggage options) is maybe on it’s way for those of us lusting after a 2018 FZS1000
Forum?  Remember the Dutch English Fazer Board?  Became Marion’s Fazer Pages or something before morphing into FOC-U.  Many thanks to all those who have been involved and run these sites for us.  Personally, I think while the evolution of the Fazer continues as the MT and Tracer series, sadly the evolution of Dutch-English-Marion-Foc-u seems to have ground to a halt.  The Fazer must have had one of the best web forums out there. 
I mean I looked at a couple of MT10 forums, and frankly they are pants – utter crap.

I've been on there quite a few times. Seem like a reasonable bunch. but, bloody hell, they were getting excited over managing 120 miles from a tank of fuel. The bloody thing has got cruise control, why not a 20 litre tank or decent cruiring economy. I want at least 155 miles out of a tank of fuel before stopping.

It's a hooligan tool, with nowhere near enough compromise for those of us who commute, tour or expect a semblance of practicality.

[Tmation]

I quite like the MT09 and MT10 but I wouldn't buy one for the same reason I never changed from FZS1000 Gen 1 to Gen 2, the poxy tank range.


I go touring in Europe every summer and even in the UK 250 miles would be a normal ride.



Having owned a VTR100 for 6 years, which was a great bike but you go into panic mode every 100 miles and have to find a fuel station. Okay if you are in your local area or on a known route but I got fed up with it.


Gen 1 gives me 150 to 180 miles before the fuel light which is now what I expect from a bike.


Oh and not keen on the Tracers, they are supposed to be great bikes (with a bigger tank) but I am not keen on the Soft Roader plasticky looks.

[VNA]

It's a hooligan tool, with nowhere near enough compromise for those of us who commute, tour or expect a semblance of practicality.

They didn’t have a demo available when I went in the bike shop.  If they had I might have bought that day.


So I haven’t ridden one yet.  Hey the FZS1000 was portrayed as a hooligan tool when it came out, and it can be if you want it to.  All this front wheel in the air all the time talk, isn’t that just the usual bike mag internet hype bull shit?  Sure you can, but isn’t it if you want to?


Don’t see why you can’t commute on an MT10.


Agree on the silly small tank – a pain, particularly if touring.  But maybe poor fuel consumption will improve with miles on the clock? 



If Yamaha do do the GT Tracer and get it right without softening it from the MT10, then it could be another big seller.

[nick crisp]

Having owned a VTR100 for 6 years, which was a great bike but you go into panic mode every 100 miles and have to find a fuel station. Okay if you are in your local area or on a known route but I got fed up with it.

Street Triple was like that, and no fuel gauge either. I only bought it to try for local hooning, so it wasn't really a problem for me, but folks have them as an only bike and go touring on them - no thanks. Although I stop quite often on tour for leg-stretching etc, it's when you're in areas that don't have many petrol stations around it gets problematic.


A GT version of the MT10 could be awesome - can't really foc up the looks, can they?  :lol

[Dudeofrude]

So I haven’t ridden one yet.  Hey the FZS1000 was portrayed as a hooligan tool when it came out, and it can be if you want it to.  All this front wheel in the air all the time talk, isn’t that just the usual bike mag internet hype bull shit?  Sure you can, but isn’t it if you want to?


Don’t see why you can’t commute on an MT10.

That's 'wheelie machine' term bores me with reviews. It's an illegal thing to do on the road so why they mention it in so many road tests is beyond me. And as you said it's down to the rider anyway. To the right person a yzf125 is a wheelie machine.
I took a Ktm 1290 Super Duke out a few weeks back and all the reviews say that's a wheelie monster and untamable etc etc  to be honest I found it dull and listless as I'm not that kind of rider.

As for the MT-10, I completely agree about commuting on it. I commute on my Fz1-n.
No fairing, abysmal fuel consumption, shocking tank range, hard suspension and tuned to the point where the power is pretty much all or nothing...... but I arrive to work everyday with an empty wallet and a huge grin on my face which is why I bought it in the first place haha

[lew600fazer]

Tank range is an issue with the MT09. I have done several long haul tours Sw France to N Ireland SW France to N Wales and in March this year Sw France to the Costa Blanca. If I behave myself I can get about 265 kms /165 miles to a tank but I am nearly on vapours. If hooning it in A mode do well to get 130kms /80 miles to a tank.
But to be honest that kind of range (165) suits me as Ian starting to get numb bum by then so stopping for a fill up is welcome.
My touring setup is two Shad soft panniers 45ltr and a givi tank lock bag think that is 15ltrs.
The bike is fun to ride but has to be said the rear suspension in stock is absoultely rubbish, front is not great either. I have had it setup and I can live with it.
Next long haul is back to Noth Wales again staying at the www.oakleyarms.co.uk 16 of us from all over the UK and Ireland , me I am the long distance traveller. Looking forward to it, rollon September.