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Re: Nasty Surprise - daviee - 08-12-16
nope i just buzzed it up till it stopped and the tone goes different the gun is rated to 320 nm so i guess its about their edit 325 bls/foot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-Tools-CP2400-24V-1-2-Drive-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-Nut-Runner-Gun/191533177231?_trksid=p2045573.c100506.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D48605c34f7a0430eb1225b82f468d338%26pid%3D100506%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26 this is the gun i used
Re: Nasty Surprise - YamFazFan - 08-12-16
I'm amazed the threads could take that amount of torque.
320nm is MEGA tight :eek
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,14924.msg169224.html#msg169224
Re: Nasty Surprise - Bretty - 08-12-16
Haha, not 320Nm.. 325ft lbs!!...
...which is only about 450Nm!!!
that can't be right, I don't think you could hang on to that.
why would you not use a torque wrench on this critical part with a known fault, that could result in a catastrophic failure?!
Re: Nasty Surprise - daviee - 09-12-16
I have done this many times to different bikes and the last two being fazers never had a problem and deffo won't come off it took this gun to get the nut off as it was so tight I was lifting the bike off the ground with a break bar trying to get if off so it buzzed of no bother and buzzed back on till it stopped turning and the sound of the gun changes job done
Re: Nasty Surprise - slappy - 09-12-16
If you ever sell your Fazer you better include the gun in the deal, pity the next owner who tries to undo that nut!
Re: Nasty Surprise - daviee - 09-12-16
Thought that was the point to make sure it don't come off , if it was too tight it would have stripped the threads on the nut as that is the softer of the two components but it didn't so not a problem
Re: Nasty Surprise - Bretty - 09-12-16
You're clearly a man of extremes... and this years guinness world records holder for the world's longest sentence. I almost passed out reading that.
Re: Nasty Surprise - daviee - 09-12-16
been working on bike longer than i care to mention from dyno rolling road to two stroke tuning i have a fair idea what im doing
Re: Nasty Surprise - fazersharp - 09-12-16
The Yam official service manual states 90nm on the 12mm nut.
Re: Nasty Surprise - Bretty - 09-12-16
Mate, you've just recommended that people torque their sprocket nut up to 450Nm. Are you sure that's good advice?
I wonder how many of these sprocket failures are the result of people guessing the torque on the nut?
Re: Nasty Surprise - fazersharp - 09-12-16
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Re: Nasty Surprise - fazersharp - 09-12-16
Here this lot will keep you going for a while ----enjoy
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,19504.msg225613.html#msg225613
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,19958.msg230546.html#msg230546
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,17632.msg203662.html#msg203662
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,16751.msg193040.html#msg193040
Re: Nasty Surprise - Graham53 - 10-12-16
(08-12-16, 03:08 PM)Bretty link Wrote: That's interesting. I took my bike to a (3 letter) south London tyre place for new chain and sprockets. I took the side cover off 4months later to find what appeared to elbe my original sprocket?! I guess they now have a policy of not touching the front sprocket on a fazer now?!
Yup that's the place 3 letters
Don't know if it's good they didn't try to kill you or bad they haven't learned what to do
Re: Nasty Surprise - daviee - 10-12-16
(09-12-16, 10:30 PM)Bretty link Wrote: Mate, you've just recommended that people torque their sprocket nut up to 450Nm. Are you sure that's good advice?
I wonder how many of these sprocket failures are the result of people guessing the torque on the nut?
right smart arse where did i recommend it ,, i stated what i had done simple as that but their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion , best thing you can do mate it get a life and stop trolling peoples post fukin muppet
Re: Nasty Surprise - Bretty - 10-12-16
Sorry mate, not trolling you or a smart arse. But a lot of people read this forum before doing jobs for the first time. The best advice is to use what ever you have to to get the nut off and a torque wrench to put it back on.
...or if the threads are fooked, weld it back on. Haha.
Re: Nasty Surprise - fazersharp - 10-12-16
(10-12-16, 09:58 AM)daviee link Wrote: [quote author=Bretty link=topic=21491.msg247417#msg247417 date=1481319009]
Mate, you've just recommended that people torque their sprocket nut up to 450Nm. Are you sure that's good advice?
I wonder how many of these sprocket failures are the result of people guessing the torque on the nut?
right smart arse where did i recommend it ,, i stated what i had done simple as that but their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion , best thing you can do mate it get a life and stop trolling peoples post fukin muppet
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WOW steady :eek .
Anywho, looks like I have another bike with no sprocket issues to add to my collection of unaffected 98s.
Have you read through those links yet.
That gun of yours it says up to 320 or whatever so how do you control it to stop at any given torque, and the advert says "up to 320 - enough to remove wheel nuts" --- well I can do that by hand with a crappy tool in the car kit, bit of an odd thing to say.
Re: Nasty Surprise - Fazerider - 11-12-16
(10-12-16, 09:58 AM)daviee link Wrote: .. their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion..As you're demonstrating.
Anyhow... just went out to investigate a clunking noise I get when pulling away or riding slowly and found my 12mm sprocket nut is loose!
The shaft showed no signs of damage when I changed C&S, it was thoroughly degreased, and the new nut loctited on at the recommended torque and the security washer tabbed over. Admittedly that was 50k ago (thanks, Scottoiler), but it's still a surprise to find the new ones can also suffer the problem.
Time to get the old stick welder out. >:
Re: Nasty Surprise - YamFazFan - 15-12-16
(10-12-16, 09:58 AM)daviee link Wrote: [quote author=Bretty link=topic=21491.msg247417#msg247417 date=1481319009]
Mate, you've just recommended that people torque their sprocket nut up to 450Nm. Are you sure that's good advice?
I wonder how many of these sprocket failures are the result of people guessing the torque on the nut?
right smart arse where did i recommend it ,, i stated what i had done simple as that but their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion , best thing you can do mate it get a life and stop trolling peoples post fukin muppet
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When someone posts the details of a procedure that they felt worked well for them it's generally taken as an implied recommendation.
I'm pleased to see you have clarified that it was in fact not a recommendation, as suggesting tightening this nut up that ball breaking tight would clearly be ludicrous advice
Re: Nasty Surprise - darrsi - 15-12-16
(11-12-16, 03:33 PM)Fazerider link Wrote: [quote author=daviee link=topic=21491.msg247443#msg247443 date=1481360312]As you're demonstrating.
.. their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion..
Anyhow... just went out to investigate a clunking noise I get when pulling away or riding slowly and found my 12mm sprocket nut is loose!
The shaft showed no signs of damage when I changed C&S, it was thoroughly degreased, and the new nut loctited on at the recommended torque and the security washer tabbed over. Admittedly that was 50k ago (thanks, Scottoiler), but it's still a surprise to find the new ones can also suffer the problem.
Time to get the old stick welder out. >:
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Is yours a '98, just out of curiosity? :lurk
Re: Nasty Surprise - fazersharp - 15-12-16
(15-12-16, 06:06 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Fazerider link=topic=21491.msg247528#msg247528 date=1481466800]As you're demonstrating.
[quote author=daviee link=topic=21491.msg247443#msg247443 date=1481360312]
.. their is always one dick head that likes to blow stuff out of proportion..
Anyhow... just went out to investigate a clunking noise I get when pulling away or riding slowly and found my 12mm sprocket nut is loose!
The shaft showed no signs of damage when I changed C&S, it was thoroughly degreased, and the new nut loctited on at the recommended torque and the security washer tabbed over. Admittedly that was 50k ago (thanks, Scottoiler), but it's still a surprise to find the new ones can also suffer the problem.
Time to get the old stick welder out. >:
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Is yours a '98, just out of curiosity? :lurk
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Read it again and you will see that the lose nut was a replacement and therefore not a factory fitted 98