Anyone tried a R6 shock on a 600?

[bwizz]

Just thinking of this years winter projects. I have a thou rear shock on my 600 ( See Old Forum) but I was wondering how the R6 shock would suit my 600.
I know the spring rates are different between the two bikes, but the thou is a gas shock and I have heard that 70% of the springing is added by the gas.  I seem to remember that the diameter of the R6 shock is slightly smaller than the thou standard one so may not foul the overflow tank (again old forum)
Might give it a go shortly as I have a R6 shock on my thou , so would not cost me ow't

[Raymy]

are you purposefully looking for ways to fuck your neck and back as part of a bucket list type arrangement or do you genuinely not think ahead?

[bwizz]

I would say that post shows that I think ahead,
I am equally sure that Luke was thinking outside the usual box when he came up with the orginal R6 mod
Where'as your reply shows that you are a tit

[Raymy]

I am a tit, well spotted. Such powers of perception.
Y'see, we get plenty threads about your ailments on one hand, then others about buying sportsbikes and putting sports parts on a comfy toury type bike, that already has better suspension then stock, but you want to fit sportsbike suspension to it?

Can you see where I'm coming from here? What next, clip-ons?

[bwizz]

I don't really see where you are coming from! If Luke had the same attitude the Fazer community would be denied probably the best cheapest Fazer mod ever. I come from an era of changing cams ,heads, engine's etc . A simple shock change , nothing radical there! Maybe you come from the era of the Flat earth ?

[Raymy]

I'm from 3rd Earth

Well, where i'm coming from is nothing to do with the practical mechanics of it, but rather the fact that you have dodgy joints, as you are prone to telling us, yet you want to put sportsbike suspension on, traditionally harder, when you already have a much superior than stock unit fitted.

Pretty basic really

"Yeah but its fully adjustable so i could make it softer and better for my neck"


I'm liking this tit for tat exchange. Call me a tit again, i've no had a good ruck in ages.


Aren't 4x4's amazing vehicles?


I love being 12

[manuel32]

I am more than 4 times 12 and guess what?




i also have a 4x4

[Raymy]

Oh oh, you'll be for the chop

[thom_1991]

Spend the money on having the standard one rebuilt or get a Nitron sport or similar.

[kebab19]

I think B's reasoning is based on the latest R6 shock (by some fluke) having remarkably similar properties regarding travel and stroke to the early Fazer 1000's shock, which itself could be grafted on to the 600 (although it's spring is not suited to the lighter bike unless you're a bloater).

Furthermore the R6 shock has a spring that would *just about* be suitable for the 600, probably when set to minimum preload. As such, it would *possibly* be a suitable donor shock for the 600, but don't think anyone has tried to transplant one yet. In theory it would physically fit but whether the damping would match is another question.

I guess if you have both Fazers and an R6 shock you're in the best position to give it a go!

[bwizz]

Thanks for constructive reply Kebab 19. The Thou and R6 do have very similar stroke. the R6 unit can in fact be set softer, Even my partner/ passenger, notices the improved ride quality, as it has more control (hence the idea) !
The 600 Fazer standard unit in fact has an 800 lb's spring, (nearly twice the rate of the thou spring, but as the thou unit is assisted by gas " I don't know what poundage extent" ! This is where the extra spring rate comes from . The thou unit on my 600 (with 600 spring ) has good control but is a bit crashy and works best with rebound set to max. On the whole   when  newish the 600 unit is not such a bad unit  , Mine was knackered and I had a spare thou unit which had been re furbished . So cost me now't to try
As will the R6 unit cost nothing to swap over !

[Lumpy]

so, the thou shock fits no bother?
 
The Fazer 600 is okay on standard suspension for those that can't ride properly I guess but it's always been to soft for me. Standard bikes fit standard people and not everyone, some wish to tailor the bikes to suit their riding so why do numptys always seem to decry this?

[bwizz]

I didn't say no bother. see the old forum for details of whats involved!  If you like a firmer ride , this will suit!

[Lumpy]

I didn't say no bother. see the old forum for details of whats involved!  If you like a firmer ride , this will suit!

Ah no, I inferred the no bother. Firmer and controlled is better. I saw in another post you also said budget for a rebuild on the thou as the shock is the weak point.
 
I'll have a look back on the old site then or may just get my spare one rebuilt.

[bwizz]

I initially had my thou unit rebuilt. but to be honest on refit "to thou " I did  not notice ny difference.!
I summise that it was the spring that had weakened
I then came across Luke's R6 mod , money well  spent ! This left  mewith the surplus thou unit , which (after modding) suits the 600

[Lumpy]

I initially had my thou unit rebuilt. but to be honest on refit "to thou " I did  not notice ny difference.!
I summise that it was the spring that had weakened
I then came across Luke's R6 mod , money well  spent ! This left  mewith the surplus thou unit , which (after modding) suits the 600

I have a thou riding mate, already with R1 front end, who is doing the R6 mod soon, so I may tap him up for his shock. Cheers again. Nothing quite as boring as a standard bike.

[Slaninar]

so, the thou shock fits no bother?
 
The Fazer 600 is okay on standard suspension for those that can't ride properly I guess but it's always been to soft for me. Standard bikes fit standard people and not everyone, some wish to tailor the bikes to suit their riding so why do numptys always seem to decry this?

Most roads in my country are so bad that I'd go for even SOFTER suspension often. However, on track, or on those rare occasions where I come across good road, little traffic, nice bends, then I do wish for harder springs, with more rebound damping. But not often enough to justify 500+ euro investment.

Wilbers is the way to go from what I could learn. Both front and rear. Or get a cheap race bike for thrashing.

[Lumpy]

so, the thou shock fits no bother?
 
The Fazer 600 is okay on standard suspension for those that can't ride properly I guess but it's always been to soft for me. Standard bikes fit standard people and not everyone, some wish to tailor the bikes to suit their riding so why do numptys always seem to decry this?

Most roads in my country are so bad that I'd go for even SOFTER suspension often. However, on track, or on those rare occasions where I come across good road, little traffic, nice bends, then I do wish for harder springs, with more rebound damping. But not often enough to justify 500+ euro investment.

Wilbers is the way to go from what I could learn. Both front and rear. Or get a cheap race bike for thrashing.

I am a lard arse though and like my bikes to be firm but progressive. The Fazer is a bit wallowy but doing well for its 75 000 miles.

[FuZzBoM]

When i had my FZS600 i fitted a hyperpro spring to the original shock and the difference was amazing. I think the spring was about £80 and i fitted it myself.
But then i am 17 stone and 6'3 so the original was a tad weak for me.

[bwizz]

My mate is 20 stone he was out on his MZ with us at week end . quite a sight to see.

Despite spring rates not being supposed to change. I suspect it is soggy spring rather than a damper unit which creates most shock trouble.

[Lumpy]

My mate is 20 stone he was out on his MZ with us at week end . quite a sight to see.

Despite spring rates not being supposed to change. I suspect it is soggy spring rather than a damper unit which creates most shock trouble.

normally it's the damping that gives up.

[bwizz]

My Thou Shock was re gassed and oiled by RR .a seemingly reputable company. The bike still wallowed like a wale when refitted, despite trying all available settings, £80 wasted !
Also from my experience in the car world Mcpherson Strutts seem to suffer more from spring sag than damping leakage
My present ancient Astra has now done 18000 with no leakage
The track actually changes due to changing steering  geometry My own theory is that ride height /preload on a bike is quite critical. when this is reduced , handling problems ensue

[Lumpy]

it's not always leakage it is the samping oil that gives up. It's always more noticeable on a bike too than on a car with remoter steering. If the car is a dynamic one then the dampers going off may be noticed but normally only when you actually replace them you realise how bad it was. Spring rates are more personal and can be tailored around the individual mass on the bike, on a car it is more of a compromise and less noticeable. It is the damping that causes a wallow though if the rebound damping is insufficient..

[bwizz]

I'll agree to differ on this subject .
In the absence of any-body who has tried my 600 R6 shock idea. I'll put in on shortly and report back

[Lumpy]

I'll agree to differ on this subject .
In the absence of any-body who has tried my 600 R6 shock idea. I'll put in on shortly and report back

no probs but think that if the damping is sufficient you won't get a wallow as it will damp it out, you may get progressive bottoming out though if it is too strong and cannot recover in time. Soft spring and soft damping equals wallowing, well for my interpretation of wallowing, but a soft spring will exarcerbate this. Over damping will make things choppy too.