Ultimately I think we both want social justice but approach it from different angles. In this country the people are governed by consent, and as previously mention the alternative we have in law (being English) is to withdraw that consent. It's perfectly lawful under common law. Slaninar look up 'Lawful rebellion'.
The day civil disobedience and protest is not tolerated, well it's generally a good sign that your democracy is dead. Check out what's going down in Russia right now.
Not that to influence government or policy you have to do either, but sometimes it is the only way. It is however in this climate of fear and high security, intense surveillance and multi-national very conservative right wing employers increasingly difficult for people to stand up and openly express their concerns.
Add that to three political parties in a UK sense that all look the same, say and do roughly the same things. Well you do wonder about the health of our democracy in a UK wide sense. We've also failed spectacularly to kill off the first past the post system that has driven us into this centre right straight jacket. Add in the money that the big three parties (though it'll be back to two shortly) have, and what hope is there for real political democracy. That's another reason for me wanting Independence, democracy in the UK is dying on it's feet. And it's got now't to do with EU membership.
that unrest and civil disobedience will follow.
It may come due to social injustice, no jobs, no community, no hope, an ever increasing gap between those with and those without. Company directors stealing ever bigger piles of cash, and making sure that not just they don't pay tax but their company pays no corporation tax, while they keep screwing their employees terms and conditions, as well as drawing up black lists of potential 'trouble makers'. Add in to that a total disconnect with politics, two big parties that are both the same. And sure, at some point the lid could come flying off the pressure cooker.
Some in the EU may dream of a federal Europe, but the reality was it could never be, we were always far too diverse for that, and now that dream is in absolute tatters. It may be time to review and reform the EU, but dismantle it or pull out - never. And the EU is most certainly not the cause of our current woes, it's a factor, but not the cause and getting out will only make the UK's current woes considerably worse, and then some.
