Quick straw poll - the welfare £26K cap - good or bad?

[locksmith]

So you have all my tax money!     The bulk of the cash is intended for the Landlord.  How it gets there, or doesn't, I never commented on.
 

 
VNA, the cash is intended for the person on benefits to rent a roof over their heads at the prevailing market rate. If that means them moving across town to a similar property thats a lot cheaper then that it what has to be done.
 
If you think all landlords are rich Tory b'stards then you are very wrong as well as very nasty.

[adeejaysdelight]

Mr DJ, having been made redundant twice in a year and having an occupation which is not in demand it's been difficult to get by however for the last 6 months we have paid our bills and haven't seen fit to impose upon your 20%....and your £800 pcm deductions...It pains me a little to think that until redundancy my deductions were almost double that. I guess what I am saying is my 20% over the past 35 years probably entitles me to an opinion in your value system therefore feel free to go make love and travel...As it happens looks like I shall be commuting up to Glasgow from Portsmouth on a weekly basis from next month..so don't harp on about commitment etc. We are not all the same and I don't like your sweeping generalisations and assumptions...

 
Take it easy there BigMac. I aint talking about guys who have worked all their days are are put out of work because our country went into ressesion. If you look at my earlier post, I am talking about the lazy bas**rds who DON'T want to work. Who sit at home an do fek all all day, and bleed the system for everything they can without any contribution. You paid your dues, I have only been working for 16 years (as I'm 32) and am happy to pay for my part. And if and when I need it I expect it to be there. I do not, however, like to see my money paying for some chav's new tracksuit and wine. You get where I'm coming from here?

[DILLIGAFF]

In defence of my post and subsequent reply.


When I was at school there were NO pupils who left without qualifications and unable to read and write.
Why. Because there was discipline and pupils were not left to decide whether they attended school or not without consequence.
Nowadays there is no discipline from parents or teachers and it is considered normal to abuse or even assault teachers.


And FYI my son was recognised to be dyslexic and went on to university and graduated with a 2:1, as did my daughter who is epileptic.


So I believe I actually DO know what I'm talking about and I believe that by following your advice to ..."Maybe leave this sort of thing to eductional professionals?? is why this country is in the state it is.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

An investment banker, a Daily Mail reader and a welfare claimant are sitting round a plate with 12 biscuits on it.

The Investment banker takes 11 biscuits, then turns to the Daily Mail reader and says - "Watch out - that fucking scrounger is after your biscuit"

[oldmotherfoccer]

oh we are lucky enough to have 64 plots of "social housing" built on a former factory site at the back of our house, whilst some of them have been given to local people, we now have the cream of Nottinghams unwanted social problems living right behind us.  we are assured at the council meeting that these social houses were needed for "doctors, nurses, care workers" without whom we could not function as a town. why nottingham by the way in northants...... the houses were put out to tender, and there is a policy now to move certain families away from the area they came from to help them gain respect in a new neighbourhood !!!!!!!!!! and there was me thinking you earnt respect, buy not leaving sh*t everywhere

[Raymy]

Are you In or around glasgow dj? I'm looking. I must warn you tho, I get a government payout every fortnight

 
 
 
Yes, I am "in or around Glasgow". And if you get a giro, how the f**k can you afford a computer, never mind an internet connection? At least 20% of that is mine. ENJOY!

Ye can sing for yer 20% mate. I'm having it. In fact, i'm taking a chunk of all your wages SUCKAS!!!!!

I hope you lot are happy to learn that your hard earned tax dollars are keeping my local boozer afloat. I'll justify that by saying its a charity that funds many theatre and art projects, but i don't think about that as I WANTONLY TOSS YOUR HARD EARNED AT THE STAFF FOR TIPS!!!!! WOOO HOOO



ANDYNASTYVERY

The cash is intended for the landlord, but it gets paid to the tenant (in glasgow at least) to promote independence blah blah blah. They often don't get it cos we're all manky smackhead alkies.

So "She DOES get the cash"

[Sunny Intervals]

Woman from CITB on BBC news 24 reckons 45000 jobs going to be lost in Construction over the next few years.

So glad that that Deejay will be able to differentiate by tone of voice over the telephone between

I would NEVER rent to a jobless dole scum again. Recently I advertised my pad for rent on gumtree, clearly stating NO DSS. Still, these F**king idiots email asking if I will take DSS, or why I won't take DSS. I say, "Because you are a worthless piece of sh*t and I would feel physically ill every time I had to come see you to get my rent money. Plus I would probably have to fumigate my house when you move out, because you are so fuc**ng lazy you won't lift a bone-idle finger to clean the place. Now f**k off and get a job and stop using the internet to see what you can get out the system form free..."

And the poor sods

guys who have worked all their days are are put out of work because our country went into ressesion. If you look at my earlier post, I am talking about the lazy bas**rds who DON'T want to work. Who sit at home an do fek all all day, and bleed the system for everything they can without any contribution. You paid your dues, I have only been working for 16 years (as I'm 32) and am happy to pay for my part. And if and when I need it I expect it to be there. I do not, however, like to see my money paying for some chav's new tracksuit and wine. You get where I'm coming from here?

Amazing ability you have then Deejay. seeing as you couldn't figure out that somebody you'd known for 26 years would take the piss

 

[alan sherman]

4500 jobs to be lost in construction you say?   To be honest I'm not surprised with my recent experience of 'trades' in London.  Add in utilities to the pot of unreliable idiots with no professional pride or ability too!


it is interesting how DIY is so popular in this country.  Most other places in the world pay people to do stuff because it is cheaper (in an opportunity cost calculation), less stressful and you get a better job done.

[Phil TK]

4500 jobs to be lost in construction you say?   

That would actually be in the regulated part of the industry, ie architects, technicians and qualified/acredited contractors on large projects. The 'loft conversion' type worker is not included in the figures.
 

[alan sherman]

Ah, shame.  aren't they getting any HS2 / Hammersmith underpass work then?  Isn't the school building programme still happening?  Government has committed to spend on council housing too.  But I suppose office building, especially government office building has stalled.

[Sunny Intervals]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/25/construction-industry-lose-45000-jobs-2012

4500 jobs to be lost in construction you say?   To be honest I'm not surprised with my recent experience of 'trades' in London.  Add in utilities to the pot of unreliable idiots with no professional pride or ability too!

Foc me did I just get tarred again 

[alan sherman]

Depends - do you work for EDF and agree an appointment for the meter to be changed with my wife a month ago?  Was it you that didn't turn up to brighten my 'work from home' day?  Or send the text saying the electrician would be there the day?  I'm sure it wasn't you that i spoke to on the phone who said that date was what was recorded in the system but rescheduled for the next week.  i really hope it wasn't you that turned up the following day to find no one home - what a waste of the electrician's time!  I know it wasn't you that sent the first latter relating to the account as a second and final demand for payment (er, against what bill?) - because that was computer generated.
 





If you are a builder who quotes for removing a wall without even bothering to poke yer head through the loft hatch to see if it is a supporting wall or not then you deserve the tarring! 

[alan sherman]

Even the BBC seems to think it is too much judging from this article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

[Gingernutz]

I love the news tonight that the Indian government said they didn't want the £290M a year aid given by the UK and had to be begged to take it because it would embarass David Cameron if they didn't. They said it was peanuts..................
Ironic isn't it that the amout saved from the 26K cap is nearly exactly the same as the cost of avoiding David Cameron's embarassment
I still think its right not to pay people this much but next time the government winges about trying to find a million here or there I'm remember todays news

[Farjo]

Just remember where you read it!

[dogruff]

Rules in N.I.(UK) are different.Rent is capped at £290pm.If you're rent is any dearer you pay the discrepancy out of you,re own pocket.All DSS are not the same.I have been made redundant 3 times,with no big pay offs.Presently in a 1 year temp contract for NICS,which will end in July.Probably have to sign on again,unless i,m one of the fortunate ones.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

I love the news tonight that the Indian government said they didn't want the £290M a year aid given by the UK and had to be begged to take it because it would embarass David Cameron if they didn't. They said it was peanuts..................

Aid is an investment.  It generally comes with strings attached.  I haven't seen that news report.  But it was generally understood that that aid package was tied to a large arms deal, a sweetener.

What I assume (my guess) is that the Indians are saying shove your arms deal.  Or, you'll need to give us a much bigger sweetener before we buy the arms that we don't really need.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

I still think its right not to pay people this much but next time the government winges about trying to find a million here or there I'm remember todays news

While there is little doubt that the welfare system needs reform, it should not be a priority at this time.

Depending on whose figures you read, in 2010 bankers were paid between 6 and 13 billion pounds in bonuses.  Don't ask me why the figure is so vague, but it's foccing huge.  And that's basically our money, tax payers money.

And that's just bankers.  What about the energy bosses, the supermarkets, and the subsidised railway bosses, etc etc etc etc.  And all these companies use the welfare system to subsidise many of their workforce employment costs.

The  there's the 'British' companies registered abroad in order to avoid paying billions upon billions of tax - massive tax avoidance.  Along with non-doms, some of whom while paying no tax in the UK sit in the house of Lords making decisions on walfare reform!

The truth is we are all getting fucked to keep the so called 'elite', and those who wish to lick their arses, in the style in which they are accustomed.

[Grahamm]

Rules in N.I.(UK) are different.Rent is capped at £290pm.If you're rent is any dearer you pay the discrepancy out of you,re own pocket.

Many years ago I was on benefits (Job Seekers Allowance and Rent Rebate) and the Council decided that, to save money, they were going to try to force private landlords to bring down rents on their properties, so they said they would cut £5 off my Rent Rebate and only pay £50 of the £55 rent I was charged (which was actually the standard going rate at the time).

But the Landlords had no intention of charging less rent, so this meant that I would have had to make up the £5 deficit from my JSA which is what the Government says is the minimum I needed to live on (and if the Government says it is the minimum, you can bet that that's the *bare* minimum!) leaving me having to find an extra £5 a week from somewhere (out of work, no jobs available, no savings, where from, exactly?!)

It took a couple of letters to my MP, but fortunately the Council backed down meaning I didn't end up being used as a politiical football.

[dogruff]

Yep! Know the feelin mate.Great topic - someones just opened up a real can of worms.Tho i have heard that some families in mainland on dss live in houses that a husband and wife (both working) could not afford.I think a cap needs to be implemented,but at a higher rate than proposed,and anyone out of work for more than a year should be forced to do community work.I wouldn.t object if it was me.

[pitternator]

I reiterate my above point ...the tactic is working - almost all on here are working class folk, and we are fighting amongst ourselves. Meanwhile the big picture gets foggy..
its not just bonuses either- I would not mind so much, but these bonuses are paid with little regard to performance and benefit to the nation. We should be asking what we want from our government.The present one is too partisan, too much pre- occupied with its years old doctrine and plan. I dont see how we can reduce the welfare state just by cutting the figures. We all know we have to spend less, but a caring government would be looking at best ways to do this, not just cut spending. Thats the easy bit.Our society has developed to where we are now  over decades , its no simple thing to change it.
To me, as someone who has never claimed benefit, I still want a welfare system there to act as a safety net and a springboard back into work again. I dont see these reforms do help, cos just what is being done to get folk back into work, if there aint any jobs to go to ?
As for the % of the population who scrounge...well thats always been there...its just Tory  bull to try to convince low intelligence people its some sort of recent phenomenon..You really need to ask yourself just why we have 3 million unemployed...listen...it is not because the benefit system is too generous !
 
As a construction worker I also feel the generalisations about my trade are ridiculous...its absurd tbh. Work is very hard to come by, and to judge our industry by the performance of firms like EDF is daft.There also is no regulation to stop anyone setting up as a builder, so with 3 million unemployed, is anyone surprised by an alarming rise in cowboys.?
Lastly , with regard to education, I cant recall a time when " everybody" exited school with qualifications, and indeed there were still people back then who struggled to read and write. You cant just  blame parents for this either, its mostly down to the individual...if they have learning difficulties...its not because parents didnt try. Its yet another stupid generalisation.I will say that in my day there were better facilities for what we called " remedial" classes, whereas today the schools are only bothered with league tables, not trying equally for all pupils.what is different is today there is less discipline, and modern media is very good at disrupting attempts to do so... so many distracting things on offer today.

[Chillum]

I'm not sure if this is on-topic or not, but can anyone explain to me how hiking up business rates for small local businesses and putting them out of business is good for the economy?

I'm seeing it all over, and shops are left empty - it's not as if someone else comes along and pays the new inflated rate. How in the hell does this benefit *anyone* ?

[rustyrider]

The rules on business rates changed a couple of years ago.  It used to be that there were no, or reduced, rates payable on an empty property.  Now the business rates have to be paid even if the place is empty.  That's why some landlords have demolished perfectly good business premises.  There is an upside to it though.  If you want to rent a business unit that has been empty for ages, the landlord will often take a much lower rent for it as long as you take responsibility for the business rates.  He may be making virtually nothing on the deal but at least it isn't costing him anything.

[Chillum]

The rules on business rates changed a couple of years ago.  It used to be that there were no, or reduced, rates payable on an empty property.  Now the business rates have to be paid even if the place is empty.  That's why some landlords have demolished perfectly good business premises.  There is an upside to it though.  If you want to rent a business unit that has been empty for ages, the landlord will often take a much lower rent for it as long as you take responsibility for the business rates.  He may be making virtually nothing on the deal but at least it isn't costing him anything.

That is seriously F*cked up! 

[pointer2null]

I thought £26k was far too generous. Benefits should be capped at a level equivalent to the minimum wage.

If you ain't working expect to have live in a small house
If you ain't working expect to move to a cheaper area
If you ain't working you can't have sky plus, a new car, new mobile, 5000 inclusive minutes etc
If you want kids you pay for them, don't expect me to fund your breeding.

Bring back the workhouse, if you want something from the state, then give something to the state.

Simples. God I wish I was Prime Minister.