Author Topic: Urgent help needed (Read 8035 times)

hightower · « **Reply #25 on:** 08 April 2014, 08:12:58 pm »

I was thinking about sump but another gasket needed if I do it.

Plugs were in, so only place it could have dropped in is as you say - I was nowhere near it though so really doubt it's in there.

I took the bike off the stand before and shook it side to side - no noises so it's either lodged somewhere, on the floor, or in the sump. If it was in a port or lying in the cam chain tunnel I would have thought I would hear it rolling about.

If I saw it land on the floor but couldn't find it still I wouldn't be bothered - it's hat I don't know where it is hat is worrying me.

Rikki · « **Reply #26 on:** 08 April 2014, 08:44:31 pm »

Get your garage cleaned up while waiting for the new one. If it shows up amongst the debris then happy days. If not then you'll have a nice tidy garage.

Top man Deefer btw

Lez72 · « **Reply #27 on:** 08 April 2014, 10:37:33 pm »

Try looking in the least logical place 1st. No doubt that's where you will find it. I don't know how clean your garage is but mine is pretty tidy and it has still taken me hours to find items I have dropped before. If you have any amount of clutter in your garage it will have most definitely rolled under something. With metal parts I generally use one of those telescopic/pen type magnets and push it into every corner I can get to until hopefully hearing a satisfying little clink revealing the offending item attached to the end of it.

Good luck with the search

hightower · « **Reply #28 on:** 08 April 2014, 11:29:57 pm »

My garage is immaculate, seriously. If it was on the floor I'd know. Even looked on the drive in case it rolled out underneath the door.

red98 · « **Reply #29 on:** 09 April 2014, 06:41:02 am »

sump gasket is just a paper one,could use instant gasket.......iam thinking peace of mind before you press the start button......you got to find it buddy $:\$

hightower · « **Reply #30 on:** 09 April 2014, 07:30:55 am »

Yeah, I'm thinking the same. I was planning an oil change anyway....

hightower · « **Reply #31 on:** 09 April 2014, 07:33:32 am »

Red, Haynes says the engine must be dropped to remove the sump?

Deefer666 · « **Reply #32 on:** 09 April 2014, 08:45:50 am »

Quote from: hightower on 09 April 2014, 07:33:32 am

Red, Haynes says the engine must be dropped to remove the sump?

Haynes tells lies. the sump comes of with the engine in situ, no problem. next time get some grease or vaseline and put it around the plug holes when you are rebuilding the engine.

hightower · « **Reply #33 on:** 09 April 2014, 08:47:00 am »

Quote from: Deefer666 on 09 April 2014, 08:45:50 am

Quote from: hightower on 09 April 2014, 07:33:32 am
Red, Haynes says the engine must be dropped to remove the sump?

Haynes tells lies.

So I can deffo drop the sump with it still in the frame? No difficulties or special tools?

Deefer666 · « **Reply #34 on:** 09 April 2014, 08:51:57 am »

so long as the pipes are off you can get to all the sump bolts and remove the sump with no issues.

hightower · « **Reply #35 on:** 09 April 2014, 09:22:32 am »

Cool thanks, I'll have a check tonight, but taking pipes off shouldn't be a problem if they aren't off already - the whole bike is drained of every fluid. I've decided to come in to work today to take my mind off it while the dowel arrives. Thanks again Deefer, really appreciate your gesture.

red98 · « **Reply #36 on:** 09 April 2014, 08:07:21 pm »

Yep, as deefer....pipes out of the way it comes off easy

red98 · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 April 2014, 08:23:33 pm »

How you doing hightower ?

Gav · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 April 2014, 08:51:42 pm »

I dropped a dowell somewhere when I did the cam chain on mine. I thought it went into the pot as spark plugs were out. Had rags blocking most openings.
I was fearing the worst so decided to remove the cams again and found the dowell hiding in a part of the casting hidden when cams were on. Oh my god such a relief when I found it.
Hope you have the same relief when you locate the missing dowell.
Cheers
Gav

hightower · « **Reply #39 on:** 12 April 2014, 08:21:49 am »

My cams aren't on yet lol. I hope I do too, it has me worried - a £2 bit of metal could just ruin the lot!

Grahamm · « **Reply #40 on:** 12 April 2014, 12:25:25 pm »

You could get a fibre optic scope to let you search the bikes innards without taking everything apart.

I think there are even ones with a little grab on the end so if you find the dowel in there you can pull it out.

hightower · « **Reply #41 on:** 12 April 2014, 12:48:42 pm »

I think I'd rather strip the bike than parting with another 50 quid

hightower · « **Reply #42 on:** 15 April 2014, 09:04:00 am »

Will this do to seal the sump up again: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-GRANVILLE-SILICONE-INSTANT-GASKET-SEALER-SEALANT-BLACK-40-Gram-Tube-/181179571215?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a2f24dc0f

Was also thinking I could use that as a bit gasket for the cam chain tensioner?

Let me know, I'll order today thanks

hightower · « **Reply #43 on:** 17 April 2014, 09:42:30 pm »

OK, still waiting for dowel but got official sump gasket delivered today to decided to do that.

Took about 2 hours - cleaning the old gasket off with the engine in situ was a chew on, but got there.

Anyway, no missing dowel anywhere in sump. All cleaned up and fitted, do feel good making progress even though this missing dowel is killing me.

Hope dowel comes Saturday so can fit Easter Monday

rodyork · « **Reply #44 on:** 17 April 2014, 09:55:52 pm »

Quote from: richfzs on 08 April 2014, 02:38:25 pm

Walking away is a good idea at this point - I got frustrated a couple of weeks ago, and launched my 5mm thandle Allen key across the garage - no idea where it went, quite annoying not having it!!

Ive been there too!

richfzs · « **Reply #45 on:** 17 April 2014, 11:14:16 pm »

Bloody annoying, innit...

Still not as annoying as it'll be for hightower, when he's finished his rebuild, rolls the bike off the centre stand, and finds the wee dowel that was hiding just out of sight under the edge of the stand...

hightower · « **Reply #46 on:** 17 April 2014, 11:20:24 pm »

Believe me rich, I've checked lol.

I've rocked the bike side to side and everything. Still, I keep telling myself the bike has had a top end rebuild that would have cost a fortune in the garage.

red98 · « **Reply #47 on:** 18 April 2014, 08:23:12 am »

Quote from: hightower on 15 April 2014, 09:04:00 am

Will this do to seal the sump up again: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-GRANVILLE-SILICONE-INSTANT-GASKET-SEALER-SEALANT-BLACK-40-Gram-Tube-/181179571215?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a2f24dc0f

Was also thinking I could use that as a bit gasket for the cam chain tensioner?

Let me know, I'll order today thanks

morning hightower...i know you have bought a gasket but for future reference,ive used that sealer before and its one of the best on the market,good to have in the tool box

hightower · « **Reply #48 on:** 18 April 2014, 08:28:24 am »

I bought the paper gasket (which was easy to fit so worth getting I think) but I also bought some of that instant gasket too - as you say it just seemed a valuable thing to have, and I thought I could just use it on cct when I reinstall

red98 · « **Reply #49 on:** 18 April 2014, 08:35:32 am »

yeh be ok on the cct......being black helps,looks like a proper gasket unlike the red/orange stuff ,much neater