Author Topic: Project Fazer: The build thread (Read 58386 times)

noggythenog · « **Reply #75 on:** 22 February 2014, 06:39:40 pm »

A question about insurance.....theoretical of course.

If you just passed your test and bought a bike a bike and it said Fazer on it & it didnt look obviously modified & then you got third party insurance...& when asked about mods youd obviously say as far as you know it is not modified..............then where the foc do you stand in a crash.....i mean your third party anyway but if you crash into someone else & damage their car for example are you legally classed as insured?????

Sorry sir get the handcuffs on...we've found that someone has previously do e a foxeye fairing mod and your bike should be a box eye so you arent insured.

Suppose what im getting at is that Christo surely you arent expecting to ever be covered for your bike if you trash it....you are just wanting to be legal on the road to avoid a criminal record.....obviously im not saying you should be dishonest or keep the mods more subtle but what if you were an idiot & genuinely didnt know.

One check of your online profile would soon see you in the poop with that one, if they ever did anything so in depth.

Thats what all the knobheads on these tv police docs do & they seem to get away with everything.bastards!!!

ChristoT · « **Reply #76 on:** 22 February 2014, 10:06:42 pm »

Yeah, I just want to be legal. The bike won't be worth a penny to anyone else.

You're right though. And of course the Peugeot 106 has a towbar as standard, it was on the car when I bought it, officer! :O

Dead Eye · « **Reply #77 on:** 22 February 2014, 10:44:09 pm »

I usually factor in whether its something that would make a large enough difference in the event of a crash - its all swings and roundabouts and personal opinion. Suspension and brakes are an instant declaration, body work... depends but usually irrelevant. Engine work gets a little more complex... changing the air filter, no - changing to pod filters and re-jetting, yes. The other flip side is things that you want covered in the event of a crash - not sure I have any good examples though as insurance companies are still hard to deal with; but exhausts, top box?

I had a 306 for a bit and that had had power steering retro-fitted - when declared, a lot of insurance companies wouldn't touch it. So it went undeclared... then blew a head gasket some 6 months later $:\$

Lawrence · « **Reply #78 on:** 23 February 2014, 10:23:45 am »

I'd suggest if it's not a standard replacement then they need to know about it. Top box, air filter, things like that won't make a difference to the price but they still need to know.

red98 · « **Reply #79 on:** 23 February 2014, 06:01:27 pm »

Back to topic........you offered up the bros swingarm yet.........PICTURES.......I NEED PICTURES

ChristoT · « **Reply #80 on:** 23 February 2014, 06:04:19 pm »

In about 8 days' time, I will. Hopefully will start engine work later this week.

noggythenog · « **Reply #81 on:** 23 February 2014, 06:10:15 pm »

Christo...i'm with Red here....we need pics.

Show us pics

We dont do words.....if i wanna read a book i'll go to the Library.

Pics of you actually working you layabout......even Exup has more photo proof of working on his bike than you!

The Mr Men aint popular because of their storylines!

bozboz · « **Reply #82 on:** 23 February 2014, 11:19:24 pm »

I say go for it mate! Thanks for the shout out too, probably got a few more bits you might be interested in so let me know if you come up short!
Projects for me have always been a great way of spending time with the other half away from those pesky things that get in the way like work and GFs lol!
Hes got time on his hands and wants a bike again, as long as he doesnt want to powdercoat every little piece straight away and buy every bolt in titanium then the cost wont be too high. 1 offs can be expensive and time consuming, as for me my longest term project is now over 6years old! A little time spent every now and then slowly taking shape for the time when I have kids and probably have to sell it! But I will sell it when its finished damn it!
As for insurance, try carole nash, very forgiving with mods (last time I had a very modded ntv)

Best of luck ChristoT keep those pictures coming!!!!

ChristoT · « **Reply #83 on:** 27 February 2014, 10:23:13 pm »

You see before you a happy foccer. There's a chance (albeit very slim) that I may get out on the bike this season!!

I had a play on GoCompare this evening. If ALL I DO is replace the swingarm, the underseat exhaust, and possibly the R1 tail fairing, and with my landlord as a named rider.... a year's insurance on Project Fazer is "only" £613. I may even be able to get that down if I can add more experienced riders to the policy!

Not to mention that the insurance might finally have sorted itself out by then....

The better news is that all I need, I either already have or can get (like the R1 tail fairing) locally. Once the engine is done - sorry, looks like that's not starting till next week now - I'll have the basis for a road worthy machine.

Stay tuned! Hopefully, I'll be able to retrieve the chassis on Sunday afternoon, depending what time my parents leave, then let the fettling begin!

mtread · « **Reply #84 on:** 27 February 2014, 10:57:22 pm »

I don't quite understand this 'declaration' business. If you have a car, and the exhaust goes, you go to Kwikfit and they replace with a cheaper non-OEM part. Same if your suspension wears out. Nobody thinks whether they perform slightly better or are lighter than the originals.
What's the difference with the equivalent bike parts ? I've swapped both on mine because the old ones were knackered, and I wasn't going to pay OEM prices. OK they may make a slight difference to standard, but they are not 'race parts'. Why should I have to declare for replacement parts?

ChristoT · « **Reply #85 on:** 27 February 2014, 11:02:50 pm »

This was a point made before (can't remember where) that if the part was equivalent, it was OK, didn't need declaring.

I will *have* to declare my mods, as the swingarm does not ressemble standard, nor does the tail fairing or exhaust.

I I sympathise (if it makes insurance cheaper!!

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midden · « **Reply #86 on:** 27 February 2014, 11:53:11 pm »

I've always seen declarable as being mods which are purposely made to 1.Enhance performance (increasing accident risk) 2. Enhance looks/desirability (higher theft risk)

On the latter I think declaring much depends on whether you want to claim or not for that expensive Viper Harman Kardon sound system once it gets nicked

rustyrider · « **Reply #87 on:** 01 March 2014, 07:03:07 pm »

Seems like Christo is going to be hammered on insurance for the accident risk, not because he's making it go faster, merely because he's riding it, and get a discount because of the other mods. I mean, if you make it look pretty it's going to be more attractive to someone who wants to nick it, if you make it look like a dogs dinner, nobody will want to touch it.....

But I'm biased, I don't like single sided swingarms, they look just wrong, I don't like underseat exhausts as they make the bike taller (or try to set fire to your pillions arse) and I think Angel Eye lights look just plain stupid.

rustyrider · « **Reply #88 on:** 02 March 2014, 06:33:05 pm »

OK folks, wait for more updates. I've got my shed back...... (and Christo managed to get his Fazer in the back of his shed)

I donated the ratchet strap rather than see him using a length of string......

unfazed · « **Reply #89 on:** 02 March 2014, 06:37:52 pm »

Nice, the way he bought it to match the colour of the 106

red98 · « **Reply #90 on:** 02 March 2014, 06:44:15 pm »

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "

ChristoT · « **Reply #91 on:** 02 March 2014, 07:04:59 pm »

Quote from: red98 on 02 March 2014, 06:44:15 pm

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "

Does anticipation not count?

Thanks Rusty, for all the help! Got back safely, and the bike is now under a tarp in the back garden/patio. Thanks!

Dead Eye · « **Reply #92 on:** 02 March 2014, 07:48:25 pm »

Quote from: red98 on 02 March 2014, 06:44:15 pm

Looking forward to seeing some building on this "build thread "

After the 80 pages of your stutter thread? :P

ChristoT · « **Reply #93 on:** 08 March 2014, 07:15:57 pm »

Today, I got (some) shit done!

I decided today to have a crack at the single sided swingarm. Out with the spanners!

There hasn't been a pic of the bike up yet, so here are a few:

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Project Fazer donor bike 1

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Project Fazer donor bike 2

So, after a bit of a battle, I fought off the stock swingarm:

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Fazer swingarm

And compared it to the Honda:

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Bros swingarm

A first glance, it looks like the Bros arm may be slightly longer!

It's certainly narrower, though. It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to meaqsure more accurately. Bollocks, that's going to be something ELSE to do before I can fit the Bros arm. As I was fiddling about, I also noticed the swingarm came a bit close to the left hand footrest, so I'll have to keep an eye on that during the build

I then had a look at suspension. The Bros uses direct suspension, and the Fazer (as we all know) has a linkage. Due to the position of the shock mount on the frame, I cannot use direct suspension, which means I'm going to have to find a way of fixing linkages to the Bros. I'll probably use the Fazer shock as it's shorter.

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Fazer and Bros shocks

I then noticed that the Fazer shock looked a wee bit weird: certainly not the same as the one I had on my 2001 bike!

Can anyone identify it for me?

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Fazer shock

I'll hopefully get some more work in tomorrow.

rustyrider · « **Reply #94 on:** 08 March 2014, 08:35:32 pm »

Quote from: ChristoT on 08 March 2014, 07:15:57 pm

It's certainly narrower, though. It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to measure more accurately.

You didn't honestly expect them to be a straight swap did you? I bet the chain run won't line up either.

But, as I told you, I think you are bonkers for even considering it......

ChristoT · « **Reply #95 on:** 08 March 2014, 08:59:53 pm »

Quote from: rustyrider on 08 March 2014, 08:35:32 pm

Quote from: ChristoT on 08 March 2014, 07:15:57 pm
It's certainly narrower, though. It's not as bad as I though, but I would approximate it being about 10mm out. To boot, the bearings were too small to take the swingarm pivot, so I was unable to bung it in place to measure more accurately.
You didn't honestly expect them to be a straight swap did you? I bet the chain run won't line up either.

But, as I told you, I think you are bonkers for even considering it......

I was expecting the spacers and the suspension, but not the bearing diameter.

Not sure about the chain, but expecting to have to adjust it.

rustyrider · « **Reply #96 on:** 08 March 2014, 09:15:53 pm »

What makes you think two different manufacturers would use the same sized bearings?

I'm not talking about simply adjusting the chain, I'm talking about getting the chain run to line up with the engine sprocket. I'll bet anything you like that the distance between the wheel centreline and the sprocket will be different. How will you deal with that? Fit the engine lopsided in the frame? Have a wheel offset one side or the other to the rest of the bike? Spacers behind the sprocket?

I still can't see what you hope to achieve. The Fazer is well known for it's handling so you are going to screw that up by fitting a longer swingarm? Why?

ChristoT · « **Reply #97 on:** 08 March 2014, 09:22:48 pm »

Spacers behind the engine sprocket, maybe.

The swingarm is only about 20mm longer, so it shouldn't have a great effect. If anything, the narrower wheel will make it turn in faster, which I like.

Dead Eye · « **Reply #98 on:** 08 March 2014, 11:06:10 pm »

He's a crazy french-man... before too long he'll be waving a white flag in his garage

Having said that, he is also stubborn and illogical....

ChristoT · « **Reply #99 on:** 08 March 2014, 11:09:36 pm »

Quote from: Dead Eye on 08 March 2014, 11:06:10 pm

He's a crazy french-man... before too long he'll be waving a white flag in his garage

Having said that, he is also stubborn and illogical....

I don't have a garage or a white flag...

Give me a garage, and I'll happily wave my massive Breton flag though!

When Liam says "stubborn and illogical", he means "tenacious, and an unappreciated genius". Don't you?