New model FZ1

[locksmith]

Bizarre how many threads turn into "fazer thous are much better than fz1s"..

Your not wrong there, perhaps they're justifying their inadequacies.

[snapper]

I don't think I've every said the gen 01 is better than a gen 2  even though they are 
my only real comment is the gen 2's are a step away from the gen one and going in a different direction more towards a sports bike
just look at the seats on a gen 2 !
the Gen 1's to me are the right balance of sports to tourer others may argue .
the gen 1 is a big bike not just in CC but the whole bike is big roomy and yet still has the performance and handling of a sports bike
OK it needs a little tinkering , but no where near as much as the gen 2's
at the end of the day you buy a bike that suits you ! and for me its the older gen 1 but others like the gen 2' because its more sports focused smaller tank uncomfortable seat the need for very expensive tinkering and the fact that pillions don't stay long because there knees are so cramped other than that its a lovely bike 
 

[ogri48]

    And so it goes on...endlessly and relentlessly.... Us old fellers never take the bait so it don't matter, even on the fairly serious dissing....Perhaps I should...".let's have a show of hands who's frames cracked?


No no.....keep them up, I wanna do a count...."

[slimwilly]

Who, what,, ?? my seat is a bute, well for about 400 miles, then its an ass killer ,, hell of a bike ,,ask anyone who has been out with me on a ride,,i love my gen2 just like the lads with their 600 and 1000 gen 1s,


I rekon the kids will be saying, grandad, did you have one of them FZS Fazers in the old days, wow grandad, nice

[Hedgetrimmer]

I'm just happy wi' wot I got, hope you are too 

[ogri48]

Ditto mate. Got me fz1 mapped today, 149 bhp never felt as good as it does in that snarling lightweight little bastard of a motor sickle...I love it..

[Lez72]

Well i'm with the group who love their Gen 1's and can't see a bike on the market that I would want to replace it with as it suits my needs perfectly and has as much performance as anyone could realistically need on the road (and then some). I also personally think they are a beautiful machine especially with a few subtle tweeks here and there. However, if money ever permitted, I would seriously consider a Gen 2 'aswell' as the Gen 1 rather than 'instead' of the Gen 1. I would certainly consider the Gen 2 over the MT09 mainly due to the tank range issue and the fact I prefer the look of the Gen 2. I think Yamaha have made a serious faux pas with the tank range. It might well be a short blast hooligan tool but seriously. Come on Yamaha   

[Scotyam]

Scotyam - I bought a ZZR too, but I kept the Fazer. I love swapping between the two, they're both superb in different ways.


With regard to the idea of a Crossplane Fazer, in BIKE this month, the MT-09 designer Shun Miyazawa says there will be high capacity MT style machines and they will choose the number of cylinders depending on what they're trying to achieve.


Now given the MT-09 is Yamaha refocussing on machines which are a pleasure to ride, rather than out and out fast, I reckon we could easily see an MT-10 or MT-11 with a Crossplane 4 engine.


And I'd buy one like a shot. I will have a test ride on the MT-09, but it looks a bit lacking in the grunt dept and as usual, it has not got a big enough range for me.

I would love to keep the ZZR and buy a Fazer but unfortunately I canae afford it
Regarding Mr Miyazawa's comments, fingers crossed I would love to see a crossplane 4 version of the Fazer, that is the ultimate bike as far as i'm concerned and is long overdue.

[pitternator]

dont think Yam has plans for  a revamp of FZ-1. They are pinning much on grabbing street triple sales with the MT.I have posted elsewhere, but really I think many folk are elevating the MT way above what it was intended for.
Dont know  the relevant sales figures, but based on  I have not seen many new 1000cc sports  bikes about in last 2 years, and Fz-1 is deemed to be more sporty than tourer,  I think sales dont justify a revamp. Not yet at any rate.I think Yam will see how well MT 9 goes, and then....just maybe a 1200cc version, which IMO if done right would be worth looking at...
Trouble is, MT09 is not groundbreaking folks is it ?? after all its just copied  the street triple ( but with crap styling) and tried to gain advantage by oversize capacity for the  genre...initial sales will be good cos its priced low, but if its later £500+ plus more than a street ..aint so sure it will sell so well . It needs good reviews and thorough tests before I would part with cash.But then I dont really like how it looks...while  IMO the street looks superb.its the real mccoy ....
 
we could be years away from an FZ-3 ( or FZ-12 ?)...but to my mind theres still interest in FZS type bikes, its just that these days folk are buying them dressed up as adventure bikes ! cue KTM adventure , duke MS...fazers really in different suits. AND BLOODY DAMN DEARER TO BUY NEW !!   

[PaulSmith]

The only thing tempting me at the moment is the Z1000SX.

[nickodemon]

The only thing tempting me at the moment is the Z1000SX.

It's similar to a standard gen 1 fazer. Why spend the extra money, as it has crap suspension standard and would need money spent to sort it.

[nickodemon]

dont think Yam has plans for  a revamp of FZ-1. They are pinning much on grabbing street triple sales with the MT.I have posted elsewhere, but really I think many folk are elevating the MT way above what it was intended for.
Dont know  the relevant sales figures, but based on  I have not seen many new 1000cc sports  bikes about in last 2 years, and Fz-1 is deemed to be more sporty than tourer,  I think sales dont justify a revamp. Not yet at any rate.I think Yam will see how well MT 9 goes, and then....just maybe a 1200cc version, which IMO if done right would be worth looking at...
Trouble is, MT09 is not groundbreaking folks is it ?? after all its just copied  the street triple ( but with crap styling) and tried to gain advantage by oversize capacity for the  genre...initial sales will be good cos its priced low, but if its later £500+ plus more than a street ..aint so sure it will sell so well . It needs good reviews and thorough tests before I would part with cash.But then I dont really like how it looks...while  IMO the street looks superb.its the real mccoy ....
 
we could be years away from an FZ-3 ( or FZ-12 ?)...but to my mind theres still interest in FZS type bikes, its just that these days folk are buying them dressed up as adventure bikes ! cue KTM adventure , duke MS...fazers really in different suits. AND BLOODY DAMN DEARER TO BUY NEW !!   

I think the market trend is for bikes to be stripped back to look like streetfighter type bikes or adventure bikes. Basically one extreme to the other. Regarding speed/street triples, mt 09's and aprilia tuono v4r's. I think they are more designed around weekend bikes that give thrills per miles ' Not many as tank range is s#it!' while adventure bikes are for those wishing to travel.

[AyJay]

MCN today had the MT-09 up against the Street Triple, Z800, MV800. Oh dear.... the Triumph walked it and the poor old MT-09 did not fare well. The usual Yamaha snatchy throttle and mismatched suspension rates were the main complaints and again, as usual, there's a brilliant bike in there waiting for a loving owner to sort it out.

[PaulSmith]

The only thing tempting me at the moment is the Z1000SX.

It's similar to a standard gen 1 fazer. Why spend the extra money, as it has crap suspension standard and would need money spent to sort it.

How about because it is similar to the standard Gen1 fazer, but it is ten years younger? It has traction control and an adjustable screen, and if you want, you can have fitted luggage and/or ABS for not very much extra money.

You may think the standard suspension isn't great, but just how good do you think the original 10 year suspension on a Gen 1 is? And you at lest get remote-preload instead of trying to use a crappy spanner in the muck at the side of the road.

[ogri48]

Is it that good mate?
The gen one left some big boots to fill

[Hedgetrimmer]

Have read a couple of  good write-ups on the Z1000. If I was buying new, it'd be high on the list. Sounds like it has a strong bottom end and mid range and the looks are growing on me. Also like the way the new model's pannier mounts have been tidied up. Once I've paid off the loan on mine, I might look at PCP (Personal Contract Purchase(?)), and just may go with one for a while. But still a while away yet.