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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: bellycgb on 21 July 2013, 01:50:33 pm
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The more i strip down the bike the worse it gets! :'(
what i need so far is:-
battery - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-2002-CT12B-4-CT12B-BS-Motobatt-Motorcycle-Battery-Upgrade-/280954519119?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item416a31be4f (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-FZS-600-Fazer-2002-CT12B-4-CT12B-BS-Motobatt-Motorcycle-Battery-Upgrade-/280954519119?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item416a31be4f) (not for £1000 though :eek )
chain and sprockets - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-9803-DID-XRING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-9803-DID-XRING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558)
new brake hoses all round
rear brake seals (hoping the pistons aren't shot)
rear brake pads
looks like the front calipers may need replacing as from what i can see all of the pistons are rusty
sprocket cover gasket
fork seals
oil and filter
coolant
air filter
god knows what else :wall
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take a look
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by the looks of it the pistons are shot this is gonna be bloody expensive
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Yeah those pistons look stuffed.
I got rear caliper seals and pistons from
http://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Yamaha/FZS_600/Fazer_98_-_03/Caliper_Piston_and_Seal_Kits_ (http://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Yamaha/FZS_600/Fazer_98_-_03/Caliper_Piston_and_Seal_Kits_)
and they were fine.
Expensive job eh. Almost £180 to replace all your pistons & seals.
Anybody know why there are different kits for front left & right?
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Hi
Ive not tried them myself yet but might be worth contacting this place for a price
http://www.powerhouseautomotive.co.uk/content/brake-caliper-service-sheffield-yorkshire.html (http://www.powerhouseautomotive.co.uk/content/brake-caliper-service-sheffield-yorkshire.html)
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IF YOU'RE interested in too semi used ones and your not too far away
you can have them free
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Don't bother buying new pistons for 180, I got both front calipers for 50 and a thou rear (better) for 50 from breakers. You might get some decentish pads with them and they could be serviced to bolt on. Another set of seals might cost you 50 but you'll have some spare calipers to preclean before your next stripdown and you might be able to sort the messed up pots out when you're on the road.
Everything else seems like servicing jobs that won't need doing for another few years. Stick with it and do as much as you can yourself, you'll learn more about your bike and it's very rewarding.
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IF YOU'RE interested in too semi used ones and your not too far away
you can have them free
wow thats very kind of you! i'm in bognor regis, west sussex. Where are you? i would quite happily pay for postage if distance is a problem?
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Don't bother buying new pistons for 180, I got both front calipers for 50 and a thou rear (better) for 50 from breakers. You might get some decentish pads with them and they could be serviced to bolt on. Another set of seals might cost you 50 but you'll have some spare calipers to preclean before your next stripdown and you might be able to sort the messed up pots out when you're on the road.
Everything else seems like servicing jobs that won't need doing for another few years. Stick with it and do as much as you can yourself, you'll learn more about your bike and it's very rewarding.
That is true i'm always up for doing stuff myself but never really worked on motorbikes. like you say i'm learning as i go and its a great feeling knowing you did it yourself :D
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Might be worth keeping an eye out for a cheap fazer on the bay. If your parts are gonna cost £500 you could buy a complete bike on the bay and strip it to make your money back.
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Might be worth keeping an eye out for a cheap fazer on the bay. If your parts are gonna cost £500 you could buy a complete bike on the bay and strip it to make your money back.
might be an idea, i'll keep an eye out. just stripped both front calipers and as expected the pistons are in a right state. rust and pitting on all of them, mild to very bad. how would i go about cleaning the calipers? as in what cleaner to use?
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Any sort of strong degreaser should be a good start. I tend to use Ultra Gunk which isn't too bad, but I've taken to using the Muc Off Chain Cleaner for most hard to tackle jobs as it seems to just eat through anything - use it at your own perile, this is not advice, it's just what I do. Can't say for sure if I should be using it so usual internet disclaimer...
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Hmm, think those calipers need more than just degreaser. I'm sure I've read of restoration jobs where such things were brought back to pretty new-ish standard. Sand/shot/bead blasting? (obviously with suitable precautions taken to protect fluid ways, piston bores etc?) Check classic bike type magazines and sites, they usually have such services advertised, might be worth it.
If you're going the 2nd hand calipers route, you might try Partfinder UK. They have a number of breakers on their books. You phone them with details of what you're looking for plus name and a contact no., which they pass on to these breakers, who then contact you if they've got what you want, and tell you condition and what they're asking. you just take the details if you're not sure and can call them back later once you decide - no obligations. Can't seem to find a web address for them, but phone no. is 09060 300123.
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Personally, i would take up yamy's offer of the second-hand calipers....then bin yours, i fear they are beyond servicing really.
G ; )
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Yes, you're probably right - it'd be silly to turn down a couple of freebies when in need.
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yep if they are still available i'll snap his hand off! gonna order chain, sprockets and battery today will also get a new front sprocket locking washer and uprated nut. At least then i can then get the bike running so i can do and oil and filter change etc
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are all did x-ring chains heavy duty? i'm looking at this kit, what do you guys think?
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-DID-X-RING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f17920696 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-DID-X-RING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f17920696)
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yep if they are still available i'll snap his hand off! gonna order chain, sprockets and battery today will also get a new front sprocket locking washer and uprated nut. At least then i can then get the bike running so i can do and oil and filter change etc
Even if you get the second hand ones from Yamy, don't throw your old ones out. Spares like that (albeit in bad condition) are still worth having around just in case. I got saved last week from having kept all my old rubber brake lines after I upgraded to braided hoses. The rear caliper fell off (don't ask) and completely destroyed the braided brake line 2 days before MOT time - needless to say I was very thankful for having the spare line around :)
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are all did x-ring chains heavy duty? i'm looking at this kit, what do you guys think?
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-DID-X-RING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f17920696[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-98-03-DID-X-RING-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-/270978385558?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item3f17920696[/url])
No they're not all heavy duty, it will be around the £100 mark.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-97-03-NEW-DID-X-RING-HEAVY-DUTY-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-SET-/190769843274?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c6ac4cc4a#ht_1847wt_1170 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZS600-FAZER-97-03-NEW-DID-X-RING-HEAVY-DUTY-CHAIN-SPROCKET-KIT-SET-/190769843274?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2c6ac4cc4a#ht_1847wt_1170)
The above is for normal colour, you can get gold as well.
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I managed to get a Heavy Duty DID chain plus sprockets for about £95 on eBay :) I'll dig out the link if I can
Edit: Found it! It's actually gone up by a few pounds since I bought mine, but it's still sub £100
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190769843274?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190769843274?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
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I've just replaced the front brake hoses on my 99T with 23K on the clock with braided ones. You are welcome to the rubber ones if it'll help you out. There's nowt wrong with them, they stopped me fine.
Let me know.
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I've just replaced the front brake hoses on my 99T with 23K on the clock with braided ones. You are welcome to the rubber ones if it'll help you out. There's nowt wrong with them, they stopped me fine.
Let me know.
thank you for your kind offer, i might take you up on that :D i'm wondering if i actually need to change them, my bike has done 16,370 miles since new, they don't look perished in any way.
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Sorry my bad. When you posted you need hoses all round I assumed they were perished.
I may have a braided one that fits the rear. I'll have a look in my parts bin.
If I do the offer is there for a full working set FOC.
If they ain't perished I personally would bother just yet as you've got loads to do.
By the way I'd have a go cleaning them pistons up with wire wool and emery paper. New seals defo but I'd have go with those pistons.
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I brought a second hand calliper like that one about a year ago and spilt it and cleaned it up, new set of pads and a braided brake pipe, still working fine.
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Sorry my bad. When you posted you need hoses all round I assumed they were perished.
I may have a braided one that fits the rear. I'll have a look in my parts bin.
If I do the offer is there for a full working set FOC.
If they ain't perished I personally would bother just yet as you've got loads to do.
By the way I'd have a go cleaning them pistons up with wire wool and emery paper. New seals defo but I'd have go with those pistons.
i thought using any form of abrasive on a piston was a no no?
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Gently abrasion is OK. I would take a needle gun to them but certainly have a go with wire wool and emery paper with wd40. What have you got to loose?
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Gently abrasion is OK. I would take a needle gun to them but certainly have a go with wire wool and emery paper with wd40. What have you got to loose?
very true, also heard autosol brings up pistons a treat i shall give it a try
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Worst case if you scratch the pistons you will get a slow leakage of brake fluid past the seals.
Just check your brake fluid level regularly and you should be ok. Running out of brake fluid would be disastrous.
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I've got a cheap bike for sale. She's a runner and has strong engine and box. Can do you a deal, pm if interested
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I used some Wet & Dry on one of my rear pistons as there was a slight nick in the piston which caused the metal to form a sharp point that would have chewed up the new seals I put in - its been fine since, no leaking :)
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Battery on ebay £36 151087135604
O-ring chain & sprockets £68.99 310685699257
Your front hoses sound like they are still ok for another couple of years, let the MoT tester decide!
Instead of another duff rear caliper & pads, I would go for this TRX850 rear caliper, bracket & torque arm setup & just get a longer brake hose to sort out AND improve the feel of the rear brake : ebay item 151085020066 £30 + brake line
Front calipers - take that offer of a used set, clean them up & if you need them, get some Nikone brake piston seals to restore stopping power
Sprocket gasket - cough up
Forks seals - cough up. But wait, are the stanchions pitted?
Oil & filter - cough up (hi-flo pattern filter cheaper & just as good as OEM Yamaha filter)
Coolant - open rad cap, if its still that snot green colour, leave it as is
Air filter - try it as is first before replacing
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Yes you are correct as it can leave the piston leak prone, however if you use the plastic kitchen scourer it will remove tough marks.
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Battery on ebay £36 151087135604
O-ring chain & sprockets £68.99 310685699257
Your front hoses sound like they are still ok for another couple of years, let the MoT tester decide!
Instead of another duff rear caliper & pads, I would go for this TRX850 rear caliper, bracket & torque arm setup & just get a longer brake hose to sort out AND improve the feel of the rear brake : ebay item 151085020066 £30 + brake line
Front calipers - take that offer of a used set, clean them up & if you need them, get some Nikone brake piston seals to restore stopping power
Sprocket gasket - cough up
Forks seals - cough up. But wait, are the stanchions pitted?
Oil & filter - cough up (hi-flo pattern filter cheaper & just as good as OEM Yamaha filter)
Coolant - open rad cap, if its still that snot green colour, leave it as is
Air filter - try it as is first before replacing
ok started ordering stuff:
D.I.D 50vxgb gold chain and sprockets - [size=78%]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321040757202?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321040757202?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)[/size]
Exide YT12B-BS Battery - [/size][size=78%]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310606836197?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310606836197?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648)[/size]
It looks like i have the old style front sprocket nut fitted, so it makes sense to replace it with the uprated one, should i get a new sprocket washer too or ok to use the old one?
I checked the stanchions and they are indeed pitted :\ so that will be something else to change. rear caliper is totally seized up couldn't get the piston out even with compressed air. might go for that one on ebay.
thank you everyone for all your input :D i'll keep you guys posted on the progress
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Battery on ebay £36 151087135604
O-ring chain & sprockets £68.99 310685699257
Your front hoses sound like they are still ok for another couple of years, let the MoT tester decide!
Instead of another duff rear caliper & pads, I would go for this TRX850 rear caliper, bracket & torque arm setup & just get a longer brake hose to sort out AND improve the feel of the rear brake : ebay item 151085020066 £30 + brake line
Front calipers - take that offer of a used set, clean them up & if you need them, get some Nikone brake piston seals to restore stopping power
Sprocket gasket - cough up
Forks seals - cough up. But wait, are the stanchions pitted?
Oil & filter - cough up (hi-flo pattern filter cheaper & just as good as OEM Yamaha filter)
Coolant - open rad cap, if its still that snot green colour, leave it as is
Air filter - try it as is first before replacing
ok started ordering stuff:
D.I.D 50vxgb gold chain and sprockets - [size=78%]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321040757202?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321040757202?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url])[/size]
Exide YT12B-BS Battery - [size=78%]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310606836197?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648 ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310606836197?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648[/url])[/size]
It looks like i have the old style front sprocket nut fitted, so it makes sense to replace it with the uprated one, should i get a new sprocket washer too or ok to use the old one?
I checked the stanchions and they are indeed pitted :\ so that will be something else to change. rear caliper is totally seized up couldn't get the piston out even with compressed air. might go for that one on ebay.
thank you everyone for all your input :D i'll keep you guys posted on the progress
Get the sprocket nut as a kit, don't use the old washer.
Part number 90891-10124
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Where is the best place to order that from?
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Give Wemoto a ring first, but insist on that part number only. They deliver very quickly.
http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/ (http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/)
If not, Fowlers of Bristol will definitely have them. They'll ask you for your chassis number though, on your frame at the right side of the tank i think?
http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx (http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx)
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Give Wemoto a ring first, but insist on that part number only. They deliver very quickly.
[url]http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/[/url] ([url]http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/[/url])
If not, Fowlers of Bristol will definitely have them. They'll ask you for your chassis number though, on your frame at the right side of the tank i think?
[url]http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx[/url])
Just ordered from wemoto cheers darrsi :)
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Give Wemoto a ring first, but insist on that part number only. They deliver very quickly.
[url]http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/[/url] ([url]http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/[/url])
If not, Fowlers of Bristol will definitely have them. They'll ask you for your chassis number though, on your frame at the right side of the tank i think?
[url]http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.fowlersonlineshop.co.uk/help/contactus.aspx[/url])
Just ordered from wemoto cheers darrsi :)
Possibility you'll have it by tomorrow, the latest Friday, that's why i like using them.
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it will probably arrive before my chain and sprockets turn up lol
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This Thunderace brake line (item number 321170826643, £7) will fit that TRX caliper; I know because I have a Thunderace rear caliper & brakeline mated to a TRX50 mounting bracket & torque arm. So that's everything you need to sort the back brake out.
How bad is the pitting on the fork sliders - up high or down low? You might get away with changing seals, otherwise it'll cost a fair bit to sort new stanchions out
Air filter - take it out & bung a local dealer £1 to use his air hose line, you can usually blast paper filters out once to double their lifespan. Or twice if you're tight/ desperate ;-)
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After the air filter can take no more air blasting you can then give it to your nan for Xmas and explain that it's a very rare origami ornament. :lol
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There are places that can replate your fork sliders. Don't know how much, but possibly a good way out?
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they ain't pretty i'll take a picture in a bit. thanks for the brake info the i'll look into that ;)
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oh dear... :'(
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Uh-oh, no chance of easily restoring those, just buy these to save a lot of hassle & time
Item 121145062187
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it wasn't until i took the picture that i realised how bad they were :( oh well lesson learned don't leave your bike rotting for 6 years pmsl. i have all the time i need to get it going so one thing at a time.
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Holy shit, another one for the deep sea wrecks album! :lol
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Could you post a few pics of the bike-because the corrosion visible so far is severe to say the least. Hope you didn't pay much for it/? You may be throwing good money after bad & you may be better off taking up Bracechenkos offer or something similar.
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Could you post a few pics of the bike-because the corrosion visible so far is severe to say the least. Hope you didn't pay much for it/? You may be throwing good money after bad & you may be better off taking up Bracechenkos offer or something similar.
had this bike from new, bought it in 2002 and its been in the garage for 6 year. i'm very close to the sea hence the damage.
before and after pics lol
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Did you store it in the sea? :eek
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Did you store it in the sea? :eek
lol might as well have, stayed out the front on my house for 2 year as i had nowhere eles to put it, then managed to get garaged cleared and been in there since. the garage roof was leaking but we didn't know that until it caved in one stormy night pmsl
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The poor wee thing.
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I should be reporting you to the NSPCFazers! Seriously though if you are doing this as a long-term restoration and time/money aren't the main consideration-then fine. If it was mine I would strip bike to bare frame, assess damage, cost all work & parts to bring to previous condition(or better). If I needed wheels on road ASAP then Id buy something cheap & reliable but mainly Id be looking at long-term dry storage. Have you ever tried ACF 50 anti corrosion spray. My sister lives by sea in Cornwall & Im treating all the metalwork on her property- each time I visit I do a bit more. Glad I live in Brum!-cant get much further from the ocean but they chuck plenty on the roads come winter. :eek
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Salt that is-not ocean! :lol
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I should be reporting you to the NSPCFazers! Seriously though if you are doing this as a long-term restoration and time/money aren't the main consideration-then fine. If it was mine I would strip bike to bare frame, assess damage, cost all work & parts to bring to previous condition(or better). If I needed wheels on road ASAP then Id buy something cheap & reliable but mainly Id be looking at long-term dry storage. Have you ever tried ACF 50 anti corrosion spray. My sister lives by sea in Cornwall & Im treating all the metalwork on her property- each time I visit I do a bit more. Glad I live in Brum!-cant get much further from the ocean but they chuck plenty on the roads come winter. :eek
I drive these days and haven't ridden for many years but would love to get back into riding. restoration is the goal, time i have, money... not so much lol. i want to get it road worthy not too fussed about it looking ratty at the moment.
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It'll clean up fine, don't be too disheartened, it's salvageable
Just needs a LOT of elbow grease & repainting
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It'll clean up fine, don't be too disheartened, it's salvageable
Just needs a LOT of elbow grease & repainting
exactly only 16,370 miles on the clock barely run in :D although very run down :P
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so decided to strip the brakes down. they were in a shocking state (suprise suprise) took the pistons and the seals out of the front caliper and split the rear caliper. the seals look fine and i was very careful removing them so i'm gonna use them again. The pistons were quite scabby so i'm gonna emery cloth and polish those and refit. not intending to leave it this way mainly to familiarise myself doing a stripdown. next was cleaning the the rear caliper... :eek pistons are jammed in hard you can see the dust seal sticking out in places also. there was a huge amount of mineral deposits in and on the caliper. made good progress with a big bucket of hot soapy water and a toothbrush but the hard stuff would not budge. Attacked it with a very small electrical screwdriver and chipped and scraped the worst of it off. What remained was easily dissolved with a thick toilet cleaner that has limescale remover. pour it on watch it fizz :D came out pretty nice. air won't push out the pistons so im gonna rebuild the rear and see if i can force them out using the hydraulic pressure... wish me luck
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Before:-
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-18134548.jpg
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-18134538.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-18134538.jpg)
After:-
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-25110738.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-25110738.jpg)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-25104711.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x178/belly214is/2013-07-25104711.jpg)
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Good job with those calipers, nice progress :)
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Good job with those calipers, nice progress :)
Cheers mate they came up a treat.