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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: reillypadraig on 03 April 2013, 08:49:05 pm
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Just went for a spin on my cousins bike for the last time before I have to bring it back on Friday and the exhaust fell off about a mile from home, just split at the joint under the peg, had to pull it forward and onto the peg and hold it with my foot against the peg so no rear brake the rest of the way home, now I'm panicking. The end of the exhaust looks like it completely rusted and doesn't look like there's any exhaust left to clamp the down pipe from the slip on onto the exhaust. Any ideas?
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Aftermarket or stock exhaust? By the looks of the photo its the link pipe that has gone - if so I would guess it just needs to be replaced which is easy enough if its aftermarket as the cans are typically separate. If it's a stock exhaust then the whole can needs to be replaced as its sealed on to the link pipe I believe.
If on the other hand its snapped off from the downpipes then... I don't know. They aren't the cheapest things to replace unfortunately :(
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Looks to me like the part of the downpipes that goes inside the link pipe.. Don't know about fixing it without replacing the downpipes though...
Not your fault though buddy, it could have happened any time. Sorry I know that's not much help...
Give your cousin a ring and let him know what's happened, I'm sure if you're straight with him then albeit a pain in the ass it's noones fault and it's not like you crashed the bike or something.
Chris
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could it be welded ? ;)
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I'm not sure, it's the stock down pipes and from there back I think it's aftermarket, it may just be the link pipe, if that's all it's not so bad, I told him, he sounds very pissed of but like was said it wasn't my fault, driving on straight smooth road and just came apart. Never touch exhaust before this, just unfortunate.
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That's a shame mate, sure it'll get fixed somehow. I'm sure he's just pissed off because the bike is broken not with you so no need to worry.
Chris
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Ok it definatly looks like the gasket is gone. :'(
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put a piece of smaller pipe inside, add a bit of exhuast putty, then hand back the keys job done . 8)
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Ok it definatly looks like the gasket is gone. :'(
I have a brand new exhaust gasket. I'll sell it half price (€8) plus whatever standard post is. Probably easier to send it by that courier for a €6. Let me know if you want it.
Can't tell from your photo, but the if the link pipe sheared/rotted, maybe you can get a sleeve welded over both pipes.
As for your Cousin....That is a quite normal reaction from your cousin which is why I avoid borrowing bikes and loaning bikes myself....too much at stake like property, money, friendship ect.
But when an owner do allows you to use his bike, then he should already have accepted in his heart and in his pocket (and not just from a fleeting thought in his head), that his bike could be robbed, damaged, returned in an unsatisfactory condition, or written off while in the borrower's possession....and without the possibility of a favourable outcome for the owner. If you are really not willing to accept that....then don't loan.
I am blessed to have two bikes, but I wouldn't allow anyone a loan of one of them no matter how desperate they are. I loaned a bike to a good friend of mine to go to a rally a few years ago. He was desperate to go to this rally with his club. I played the Good Samaritan and even went to the trouble of actually having the bike all spick and span for him for the rally.
When he returned the bike after the weekend, it resembled a motorcross bike that did about 12 hours of non-stop scrambling with all the muck on it. He also managed to damage to fuel filler cap...no problem there, shit happens. But he drove the bike 180 miles home with filler cap open, spewing petrol all over my tank. He wouldn't pay €5 for a universal cap in a garage....sheez!!
Needless to say it left a sour taste in my mouth and in our friendship for a while. But I have to take some of the blame for loaning the bike, and for foolishly placing expectations on other humans which they may fail to live up to.
Just count yourself lucky that your damage is quite fixable. Imagine if the motor blew??.....how would your finances and your relationship with your cousin hold up then???
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That's very true, but I didn't even ask for his bike, he asked me to ride it for him in the parades and then said he didn't want it back until it was sunny so I kept it because it was pissing rain at the end of the second parade and I said I'm going home, got bit wet but no matter. But when I brought the bike from his house the lights just went off half a mile up the road. So I get the blame for that, and when I fix the lights the exhaust just falls of all by itself and he gets thick, I'd swear I kicked it until it fell of, I cleaned a half an inch of shit of his chain( no joke, I measured it!!!!) and he said he thought the bike was 100% before he gave it to me. Me bolox, the kickstand was fucked so I fixed it, but the kickstand switch hasn't worked since I got it but I'm sure ill get the blame for that, but otherwise in cleanliness he is getting it back sparkling compared with the way I found it.
As for the exhaust I was looking at it and don't think the gasket will work, think its a aftermarket slip on job, just the end of the manifold has rotted away a good bit, I guess it good it happend to me in a way cause he is a f**king egit on it, and if it came off and him doing 110 and over could do some serious damage
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To be honest I'd probably give it back to him and tell him to f*ck off, if someone's bike fell apart whilst I was riding it I'd be livid.
he does sound s bit of a muppet from what you're saying though, has no idea how to look after a bike and still rides it like a nobber?
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To be honest I'd probably give it back to him and tell him to f*ck off, if someone's bike fell apart whilst I was riding it I'd be livid.
he does sound s bit of a muppet from what you're saying though, has no idea how to look after a bike and still rides it like a nobber?
I know the story why you ended up with the bike, but I would have told him to sod off in riding it in the parade in the first place. That is my point. What if you had an accident at the parade?? What if the engine just happened to blow up in the parade??
Sorry my man, but even after the parade you still choose to ride it despite knowing you were on a dodgy sort of bike. First the modified lights went on the bike while riding it. Thank God it didn't happen turning into a bend dead at night or you could have been killed. Then you posted here about the handling was like a sausage and (i think) that the guy had only half the tire pressure in his tyres. How many wake up calls do you actually need!!!
Also, while he wanted you to ride it until the good weather, he didn't twist your arm or put a gun to your head. You had a choice, my friend. That is what would be said if anything legal came out of this if something more serious happened.
Rather than taking Joe's approach to tell him to sod off and risk ruining a friendship, I would ask him to meet you at least half way on the cost and let him know that you are not happy either about the incident. He also has to be practical and realise that it didn't rot away since March 17th. This happened over a few years in which he was mostly riding it. But this is the sort of thing that can get messy. Live and learn, dude!!
btw....why aren't you riding yer own one?....is it still off the road?
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He really hasn't any clue about looking after them, he said he thought bike was 100% when he gave it too me, oh never again, mistake well learned. Going to fix exhaust this morning, not a clean break but it is a break after all, now have to go get the bloody thing welded
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Well give the bike back ASAP, dude. The exhaust fiasco was just another sign for you to do that.
Also, that metal looks very thin and exhausted. I had similiar type of problems on one of my old pipes and from my experience is that it will go again which i'm sure your welder will tell you also. So warn him of the possibility so he can keep an eye on it if he chooses. Also, don't be a bit surprised if it can't be welded at all. The metal is so thin that the welder might keep blowing holes through it in trying to fix it. Best of luck, anyway.
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Thanks dude, gona need luck with this, it is very thin indeed, might just have to cut it of and weld a short new bit of pipe in its place, hope its easy job, don't want handing out a fortune for something that wasn't my fault. Also packie yes my own bike is flying, apart from the little splutter from 1k to 5k( which I have yet to investigate) (maybe new plug caps) it's running sweet, just Ur man has his street fightered ( horrible in my opinion. And he wanted to show it of on the parade, that's all, otherwise I would have brought mine. (Would have been more reliable
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Thanks dude, gona need luck with this, it is very thin indeed, might just have to cut it of and weld a short new bit of pipe in its place, hope its easy job, don't want handing out a fortune for something that wasn't my fault. Also packie yes my own bike is flying, apart from the little splutter from 1k to 5k( which I have yet to investigate) (maybe new plug caps) it's running sweet, just Ur man has his street fightered ( horrible in my opinion. And he wanted to show it of on the parade, that's all, otherwise I would have brought mine. (Would have been more reliable
Personally, I have to agree. The streetfighter look on that bike is horrible. Actually, I wouldn't even call it a streetfighter. Ditching a fairing and putting a set of twin headlights in NOT a streetfighter....it's what it is....just a bike that someone turned from a faired bike to a semi-naked one.
If you are going to do a streetfighter....you REALLY need to just do it and not do a half baked effort. The lights work as a starting point, but I would have taken a big leap and ditched the clocks for something else...they look gammy stuck up there with that half baked bikini fairing. I would have gone for a one off hand made "feck off" stainless pipe with a one off wild paint paint job just for starters too....then it would be on the way on becoming in some way a REAL streetfighter.
But if I was doing a jobby on an old model fazer, I wouldn't go the streetfigher look at all. I just would have picked up a foxeye cone which looks real aggressive and angry and I would have modified that onto the old model bike and got a wild agressive paint job to suit, and then got a stubby type can and taken it from there.
Anyway man....your bike is YOUR pride and joy, so that is the bike you should be riding in the parade....not his. If he wants to show off his half baked effort....then he should have rode it himself. So there is a goal to set yourself now....to ride your own bike next year and to get it tidied up and spotless for the parade instead of putting your hard earned cash into someone elses bike!!
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Got it fixed now, 55 quid out of pocket but I made Ur man put 65 on the receipt, fuck it, good job though, definatly get my own tidied up for next year. He also fixed carrier bracket, that's what caused the break, exhaust was rotten and with the loose end can it just shook it until it snapped
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You know what you need over there..........M.O.T's
They can be a pain sometimes but they do tend to keep you on your toes with looking after your bike, and it's for your own benefit in reality.
I wouldn't have gone near a bike with an exhaust flapping about to be honest, although i doubt i'd have got very far in London without being nicked anyway :stop
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You know what you need over there..........M.O.T's
They can be a pain sometimes but they do tend to keep you on your toes with looking after your bike, and it's for your own benefit in reality.
Bollocks to that....I'm well capable and responsible at looking after my bike. It's only another scam to make money for the government in the long run.
Ha ha...It would be a joke over here if they were so worried that our machines are safe and sound for our own benefit, yet they leave our roads in a chronic and trecherous condition with potholes all over the place. Don't even start. If they are so worried about our safety, then it be more in their line to fix our freakin roads and potholes first.
On top of that, any cop over here can pull you in and do you for lights, exhausts, small number plates ect ect along with a host of other things...so what's the point? You still need to make sure your bike is in some way in order, anyway.
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Tidy job Padraig and the price wasn't too bad. Hope your cuz isn't watching in or your scam will be blown!!
But it was money that cud have gone into yer own bike, so learn from it, dude!
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"..... You still need to make sure your bike is in some way in order, anyway....."
Like the above you mean? :rolleyes
Having parts falling off your bike is the kind of thing you expect to see on Laurel & Hardy! :)
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Your giving him a new bike back. I understand what has been said but honestly I would have just gave him the keys back. Its a good fix and I salute your character.
Daz
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Wel it could have gone a lot worse, I explained the whole thing to him and I said could have fallen of when he was riding in a group like he usually does and fell off and could have caused 5 or 6 other guys behind him to have an accident.
He accepted and is willing to pay the amount I told him with no problems, after that he said he would pay whatever I spent on the bike, I said no, just the exhaust, fixing the rest of the bike was just out of kindness really and abit more experience under the belt,
And like packie said I now have the knowledge never to borrow or loan a bike in the future.
It was a tidy job in the end, it was the end can that caused the problem, the bracket was too loose and was shaking the pipe the whole time, and it just shook the rotten pipe until it split, so word of warning to ya guys, tighten that bracket!!!
Although one thing he didn't like was the fact I told him the whole down pipe will have to be replaced soon and it's rusted all over and only a matter of time
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"..... You still need to make sure your bike is in some way in order, anyway....."
Like the above you mean? :rolleyes
Having parts falling off your bike is the kind of thing you expect to see on Laurel & Hardy! :)
Think again about what you are saying, dude.....
There are lots of threads on this forum in which exhausts went kaput. So they were not anticipated nor prevented by the prior MOT before the failure.
Your subframe could collapse without any outer visible signs tomorrow and no MOT or regular inspection on your behalf might detect or prevent it. Your wheel could collapse without any outer visible signs too. Your linkages to your suspension could collapse without any warning signs just like it did on Cop Bikes (FJR1300s) over here which I heard that they stopped using now.
If you had the same exhaust as on Padraig's cousins bike, your exhaust could collapse too like Padraigs without any visible outward signs or warning. It could just rot from the inside out and get so wafer-like thin (but still not showing any holes or wear signs from the outside), that it just snaps off at a certain breaking point from vibration. So MOTs nor your vigilance can always prevent Laurel & Hardy shit from just happening.
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"..... You still need to make sure your bike is in some way in order, anyway....."
Like the above you mean? :rolleyes
Having parts falling off your bike is the kind of thing you expect to see on Laurel & Hardy! :)
Think again about what you are saying, dude.....
There are lots of threads on this forum in which exhausts went kaput. So they were not anticipated nor prevented by the prior MOT before the failure.
Your subframe could collapse without any outer visible signs tomorrow and no MOT or regular inspection on your behalf might detect or prevent it. Your wheel could collapse without any outer visible signs too. Your linkages to your suspension could collapse without any warning signs just like it did on Cop Bikes (FJR1300s) over here which I heard that they stopped using now.
If you had the same exhaust as on Padraig's cousins bike, your exhaust could collapse too like Padraigs without any visible outward signs or warning. It could just rot from the inside out and get so wafer-like thin (but still not showing any holes or wear signs from the outside), that it just snaps off at a certain breaking point from vibration. So MOTs nor your vigilance can always prevent Laurel & Hardy shit from just happening.
"....exhaust was rotten and with the loose end can it just shook it until it snapped...."
Kind of speaks volumes doesn't it!
And judging by the way you, me, and others on here for that matter, actually pamper our bikes a bit, you can't tell me that you wouldn't have had a quick look around the bike and probably condemned it and not ridden it? Or just have an urge to immediately point out what you thought needed improving.
Even Padraig has stated he kindly fixed loads of things while he had it.
What i'm saying is if Padraig thought things needed sorting then the bike would've failed an MOT with flying colours.
Add to the fact that if you were riding/driving or walking near the bike and an exhaust suddenly came your way i'd imagine you'd be just a little bit pissed off too, 'cos i know that i would!
I understand your point about not giving the government more money, that's natural, but i personally reckon having MOT's is a good thing for every road user.
As for bad roads, well you're not alone there i'm afraid, the road that leads to my work for instance looks like a patchwork quilt, which has different potholes appearing every day that still catch me out, even though they seem to make bad repairs on a regular basis.
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I'd buy into that MOTs are for your own benefit except that....
(a) I actually don't need an MOT to know whats good for my own benefit. I have a brain and free will to know what could kill or hurt me or others.... so I don't need to pay for that privilege.
(b) MOT's won't stop me or Padraig's cousin if our free will or mindset are geared against caring about our safety, other peoples safety, or the law itself. How many people have killed/maimed themselves or others by not wearing seat belts, drink driving, driving dangerous vehicles without MOTs???.....quite a lot, i'm afraid.
(c) So I conform to keep my vehicle in an extremely good condition and to live up to my responsibilities. I go to an awful expense in doing so and then pay them for the privilege. But then I find that they don't lead by example and fail in their responsibilities. They leave roads in an appalling state that might kill or maim me and that just makes a mockery that MOTs "are for my safety benefit" when they won't use the money I give them to ensure that the surface I travel in, is in a safe and road worthy condition, just like they want my bike to be in. If you can't see the scam or the wrong in that...then so be it. I would pay for MOTs without grudges if that money was spent to upkeep our roads. We have MOTs on cars here and Road Tax too and our main roads are now like driving on the Kyber Pass!!....and our back roads??.....have a look at this...its only down the road from were I live. Imagine going into that coming home at night.
Swimming in Ireland's Biggest Pothole (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ylsTz2DgXc#ws)
We have to agree to disagree. :D
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You keep talking about yourself, but i'm talking about a benefit for everyone.
As i said earlier a lot of people on here have a genuine interest and passion about their bike and want to learn to do their own maintenance, i'd imagine primarily for financial reasons because as you well know bike mechanics aren't exactly wallet friendly, but also because it's a learning curve and a good feeling to be hands on and know exactly what's been done to your own machine.
But the majority of owners, especially car owners, haven't got a clue about what's right or wrong with engines or parts and only get the hint when things stop working completely, fail badly or in this case parts drop off (no offence meant Padraig).
So that's where the MOT is a handy tool for the less educated out there, to give them a bit of reassurance that they are riding a half decent, roadworthy bike. :smokin
MAYBE they could even use the extra revenue generated from bike users to fill some of those bloody great holes too?
Although i must say that pothole's a tad bigger than the one's around my way, you could take a bus out with that. :eek
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that you personal should have to have an MOT, but I can't imagine every single person having the same mindset as yourself to keep the bike in good working order. There has to be just as many people who ride around until their bike quite literally falls apart and this is the justification for having some sort of system to make this illegal and to try and keep these vehicles off the roads. Unfortunately, everyone suffers
Having said that, I don't begrudge the MOT's - I just begrudge the former owners of my vehicles who haven't kept them up to scratch! To be honest, I can't complain too much since most of my vehicles have been older than me in recent years!
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Bollocks to that....I'm well capable and responsible at looking after my bike. It's only another scam to make money for the government in the long run.
You maybe, but I see plenty of people (cars and bikes) day in, day out, that can't/don't.
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Having said that, I don't begrudge the MOT's - I just begrudge the former owners of my vehicles who haven't kept them up to scratch!
Looks like the MOTs work a treat, so.
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Bollocks to that....I'm well capable and responsible at looking after my bike. It's only another scam to make money for the government in the long run.
You maybe, but I see plenty of people (cars and bikes) day in, day out, that can't/don't.
Once again...I guess MOTs have worked a treat if u have a lot of cars bikes day in, day out, that are not up to scratch.
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Well if the eu beurocrats (sp?) get their way packie, you'll be getting a mot type thing soon enough!
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Well if the eu beurocrats (sp?) get their way packie, you'll be getting a mot type thing soon enough!
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You need to do your homework first before making such assumptions. Motorcyclists account for 2% of road users in Ireland. So as much as you brits would like us to suffer as much too, I just can't see it happen because there would be a savage loss in setting up and maintaining MOTs in Ireland for bikes and getting the skilled people to do it. Jeez...I'm living in the 2nd biggest city here, and there is not a qualified mechanic (on paper) in it!!!
You see...it just supports my view on MOTs. If MOTs was all about safety, it would have been set up here years ago regardless of the 2%. But this is all about making cash....and they would lose their hole, so its a no-no for now. :D
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@ packie Just out of curiosity, what's the score when you buy a used bike from a dealer, do they just sell you a bike "as seen" and price accordingly, or would they give it a full going over.
In the UK they'd MOT it for a year before release, but i'm not sure what sort of guarantee you'd get in Ireland?
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Well if the eu beurocrats (sp?) get their way packie, you'll be getting a mot type thing soon enough!
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You need to do your homework first before making such assumptions. Motorcyclists account for 2% of road users in Ireland. So as much as you brits would like us to suffer as much too, I just can't see it happen because there would be a savage loss in setting up and maintaining MOTs in Ireland for bikes and getting the skilled people to do it. Jeez...I'm living in the 2nd biggest city here, and there is not a qualified mechanic (on paper) in it!!!
You see...it just supports my view on MOTs. If MOTs was all about safety, it would have been set up here years ago regardless of the 2%. But this is all about making cash....and they would lose their hole, so its a no-no for now. :D
Well, I aint going to do your homework for you fella. If you're not aware if what is going on in the EU, with regard to the Super MOT, that's your problem. Go have a google. None of the national governments seem to want it (certainly the UK govt doesn't see a need for it), and the Council of member govts has stated that bikes should be excluded, but so far the EU bureaucracy is still pressing ahead.
If you want to talk about making assumptions, look at yourself first. I could not give a rats arse whether you have a MOT in Ireland.
Is it all about making money? Well EU track record would suggest it probably is - but that doesn't mean it won't happen, unless you wake up and smell the shite that is potentially coming your way, and start to do something about it, as MAG and FEMA are doing.
Damn it, there I've gone and started your homework for you.
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Wel this has come up so many times over here, as u may wel know out car testing service here is called the NCT and our commercial vehicle is the DOE but the government has looked into putting a test in for bikes, but they came up with a figure that only about 2% of vehicles on Irish roads a motorcycles and the cost of putting equipment into the Nct centres for testing them and the cost if training the staff would be collosal, so much so that even if every bike went through this the money that would be spent on this would be got back for about 15-20 years of doing the test
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All well and good reillypadraig, but it will mean sod all if the beurocrats get there way :wall
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If you want to talk about making assumptions, look at yourself first. I could not give a rats arse whether you have a MOT in Ireland.
Hmmm...you gave enuff of a rats arse to respond to me twice about MOTs that might happen to Ireland....go figure that one out for your next homework assignment! :lol
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@ packie Just out of curiosity, what's the score when you buy a used bike from a dealer, do they just sell you a bike "as seen" and price accordingly, or would they give it a full going over.
In the UK they'd MOT it for a year before release, but i'm not sure what sort of guarantee you'd get in Ireland?
The norm is that they will sell it "as is" if the bike is a bit rough. They will just do a service and probably give a 3 month warranty on the motor and gearbox.
If the bike is fairly clean, the will put what is needed like brake pads, tyres, full service, and will try and get as high a price for it. Again, you will get a 3 month warranty, but the length of time on a warranty can vary.
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Same up here packie, local dealer does 3months 6 & year warranties depending on quality, also just trade sales on bikes with a few problems but will help fix if major problem occurs that's not your fault
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. There is approx 52000 bikes in the republic, approx 4500 are vintage bikes that are pre80s so there wouldn’t be tested. Of the rest of the bikes approx there is only about 40% taxed, not saying people are driving without tax, as the fine is as dear as the tax there were brought in the boom times and people are not using them. From what I can see there isn’t enough bikes here to make testing pay.
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I didn't say it made sense :wall when did the eu ever make sense?
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@packie I think you've been outdone here mate :)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4878633/Think-the-UK-potholes-are-bad.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4878633/Think-the-UK-potholes-are-bad.html)