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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: anutz on 25 October 2015, 01:08:32 pm
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any one, got any experience with a GSXR750 in comparison to the FZS600, i want to try a sports bike and have been thinking about this one for a while....main concerns are obviously the change in riding positon, has anyone got one and then just had to give it up due to position and go back to the FZs 600....and the increase in power which i suspect will be more pleasant as opposed to scary...
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any one, got any experience with a GSXR750 in comparison to the FZS600, i want to try a sports bike and have been thinking about this one for a while....main concerns are obviously the change in riding positon, has anyone got one and then just had to give it up due to position and go back to the FZs 600....and the increase in power which i suspect will be more pleasant as opposed to scary...
I think you need to be a little more specific, been producing them since the 80's
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K6 or K7 i think just based on price....
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Ive owned and used all year round a 2002 gsxr 750 for a few years back in the mid 2000's admittedly that model is not as slim as the k6/7 or as powerful, however even the k2 model when compared to the Fazer is a different world, u are more stretched out, higher pegs etc, not as comfy but still usable imo ( I'm just under 6ft, around 205lbs) Spec wise it's like night and day, I believe around 145bhp, 164kg dry weight, far far better brakes, handling, equipment, power etc etc... Basically it will rip ur arms off a bit compared to the fazer for a while before u adjust, but not as comfy/practical or rattly lol
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Oh and easier to wear those sliders in if ur into that sort of thing lol
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Thanks for the useful notes Tubz, main concern IS the position, but may just had to see what happens, can always get it and sell it on
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When i had my old 600 fazer my mate had a GSXR600.....i think it was a K4.....not too sure...it was quite a rare blue & silver if that means anything by years....he had fancy rearsets....we did a couple hundred miles and he wasnt exactly leaping ahead and id say we were pretty equal with our own capabilities....the last 20 miles we swapped & although i quite liked "lying down" my feet and legs felt wrapped around my ears & it wqs weird using clip ons.........i remember the induction noise was lovely........all in i think it was a nice machine but the leg position was the worst thing and theres no way id live with it like that......my gen2 thou was bad enough with its leg position so i personally need minimum leg bend on a bike & im 5"11 but obviously everyone is different........& im not even on about a 750 either am i but for what its worth if it was me going from my 600 upwards again id probably go straight to a big CC supermoto ish style as imo it is the best combination for normal road use.
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I've found that sport bikes tend to be hard on the wrists on the bars due to the angle & can be a killer on long runs.
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I've ridden a k6 and k8 1000 and the seating position does put a lot more weight on your wrists compared to a fazer but as long as you don't have bad wrists you'll get used to it. I think a forward leaning position is a bit more of a natural position to ride in and you can always grip the tank with your legs to give your wrists some relief. I've also ridden a cbr600 and the gsxr is further leaned forward than that so it is pretty leaned over. I could get used to it but I found it a bit extreme for an everyday commuter bike
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I only rode one of the slabside GSXR's (awful thing) so can't comment on the later bikes but agree that the riding position is possibly more comfortable than sat upright. I had back issues a few moons ago and could hardly drive my car but was fine on the bike.
As for wrist pain etc, theres a speed at which the wind passing over the screen will lift your body weight off your arms, providing you don't have a helmet thats susceptible to buffeting you can sit at that speed all day, well providing you don't get a tug from the old bill
Oh and don't fit a double bubble screen, for me its just a sure way of making your ride more uncomfortable or forcing you to ride faster before you get the benefit of lift from the wind.
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i track a k2 600.
i wouldn't want to more than 1/2 hour on it at any one time as it doesn't suit the 'older' frame.
however my little 600 will keep up with far bigger bikes if you're brave and goes around oulton 3 secs a lap faster than my 1000 :eek
so the 750 should be a bit better with a smidge of mid range. just remember tho that they need valves doing every 4K and do attract a 'certain' kind of owner
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thanks guys....all things to be aware of, i think i am set on getting one just so i can go there, do it and get the t-shirt...
one question - whats the GXSR600 like compared to the FZS 600, much difference, you see i could also look at that, just after more oomph and a different experience i.e. sports bike
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thanks guys....all things to be aware of, i think i am set on getting one just so i can go there, do it and get the t-shirt...
one question - whats the GXSR600 like compared to the FZS 600, much difference, you see i could also look at that, just after more oomph and a different experience i.e. sports bike
Much the same as the 750, but as expected its not got the same grunt. Would probably get the 750 really, can't see a good reason to buy the 600 in the GSXR range myself unless you're restricted in a racing class!
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thanks - i think its settled, i shall have to see what its like...
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Adored my srad750, older sport bike that you sit in rather than on, I found it comfortable- but everyone's different on that side of bikes!
But by fuckery did it go (although it had considerable engine work done to it!) I'll be having another one when it's time to change!
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I'd go with the 750 just for the thrust, first time you use anything with 120bhp + it'll blow your mind, and anyone who says they stayed with one on a FZS600 is either lying or the owner wasn't trying.
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one question - whats the GXSR600 like compared to the FZS 600, much difference, you see i could also look at that, just after more oomph and a different experience i.e. sports bike
i have no idea how the fzs6 goes like, but the gsxr is like an old 2 stroke, drop below 9k rpm and it just makes a noise but no real power, the 750 can handle sub 5k pootling.
if you can afford it the k4-5 are the best buy
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just remember tho that they need valves doing every 4K
:eek This I didn't know! Even on a road-only bike? 4k services is one thing, but this...
anyone who says they stayed with one on a FZS600 is either lying or the owner wasn't trying.
Oh, I dunno. Plenty of sports bike riders out there who seem to be trying but just don't know what they're doing :rolleyes
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I sat on an old Yamaha FZR750 & it was unbelievably comfy....I was quite shocked......I should have test ridden it there and then but I didn't realise how collectable they were becoming and in my mind it was a bit tatty for the price....it was probably just left as is with a little bit of dirt.....anyway to look at it you wouldn't have imagined that it would be comfy and ok I didn't ride it but it was a real surprise.....I think I would like one. :)
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just remember tho that they need valves doing every 4K
:eek This I didn't know! Even on a road-only bike? 4k services is one thing, but this...
my bad..........just checked my manual, 4k for oil and filters, 7k for plugs and 15k for valves. my early 1100 is 4k for valves but they are screw and locknut
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I own a K1 750 and compared to any of my FZS600s its a fucking animal. I believe they tamed the FI gixxers down after the Y & K1 models to make them more ridable and more civilised. All I can say is that mine is a complete headbanger of a bike. I have ridden later models and they all seem to have a more extreme riding position.
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anyone who says they stayed with one on a FZS600 is either lying or the owner wasn't trying.
Oh, I dunno. Plenty of sports bike riders out there who seem to be trying but just don't know what they're doing :rolleyes
I can second nod that - a couple of years back I met up with my brother and his "Sportsbike" mates at Leyburn - they were going over to Devils Bridge and really sneered at my FJ 1200, especially with me having my son on pillion - and also sneered at my wife on her VF 750. Long before we got to Devils, we had to pull ver to wait for all the "fast" bikes - and there was no more sneering.
There were 2 GSXR 1000's, a R1, a Fireblade, a Honda SP2 and a GSXR 600 (my brother). My brother was laughing with us because he knew those guys wouldn't keep up with us - they were all relatively "new" riders who'd come to bikes late and gone from passing their tests straight onto the latest sports bikes.
They couldn't ride for toffee - any half decent rider on one of those bikes would leave us in a blink of the eye as soon as the road started to bend.
So - I can easily believe someone in a Fazer 600 could keep up with a GSXR - I also remember GP racer Paul (Loopy) Lewis challenging all-comers to a race, their road bike against his Harley 'Glide on any track in the U.K.
From what I recall he never got beaten.
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I regularly have sports bike riders sneer at my FJ1200..... Yeah? Lardy Old Dinosaur? Wallowy tourer? LOL Guess again suckers?
But seriously I have shamed many a sports bike whilst riding an FZS600. The FZS600 is a superb handling bike and unless you are on a straight road bike sports bikes don't have that much of an advantage so long as it has a decent rider on board.
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I regularly have sports bike riders sneer at my FJ1200..... Yeah? Lardy Old Dinosaur? Wallowy tourer? LOL Guess again suckers?
But seriously I have shamed many a sports bike whilst riding an FZS600. The FZS600 is a superb handling bike and unless you are on a straight road bike sports bikes don't have that much of an advantage so long as it has a decent rider on board.
My point was that if a rider has the skill to use most of the power, brakes etc of a sports bike the 600's going to be left for dead but one thing you would miss is thrashing the bike through the gears trying to get the last bit of power and speed out of it, larger capacity bikes are so quick you find yourself the wrong side of 100 within seconds and sure you can keep on the gas but you can't ride around at those sort of speeds all day without risking either your licence of your neck
This probably sounds dumb, but if your looking for the sports bike experiance might be worth considering one of the 400's, ZXR, FZR or one of the Suzuki's, all brilliant little sports bikes that handle, you can thrash them all day and you really have to work to get the best out of them. Bit gutless two up but thats not what they are for.
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Pound for pound a sportsbike should be better than an fzs600......not that the fzs is a bad bike.....and to some degree it is a bit of a sportsbike with its engine & the way it revs......not as if it is an old twin shock bonneville is it......made by the same japanese masters of all things fast.
But we shouldnt be talking riders as we are comparing the bikes.....and the same rider should be able to outperform on the sportsbike......better quality parts, wider rear tyre, designed to corner fast.
Hiwever as a package on the road the fzs has some advantages....greater view over obstacles, comfier, more forgiving if you mess up and more softly sprung for today pot holed and rutted messes we call roads........it wont be long before roads arent much better than farm tracks and then youll have dirt bike riders saying they can beat fzs600's & sports bikes.
There are still a few sweet roads in wales though where i would like to take a true sports bike.....A44 for one, smooth, sweeping fast bends, excellent road surfaces......heaven 8)
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was looking at thundercats earlier, main thing i want is to try a sports bike for a while, so it does not have to be a gsxr 750, it just seemed a good idea as i am used to what i have, to try a 750....and in terms of models i want to spend less than i was thinking so looking at K3's as well now, seem to be cheap enough...
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Seems to me the GSXR750 would be a good choice for trying a first sports bike. Plenty of power, not nuts-over-the-top like the litre versions, good compromise for a bit more midrange than a 600. I reckon they'd be plenty fast enough.
Thundercats, whilst perhaps a good bike, are a bit dated now; more like a CBR600F. Neither would be my first choice for a first sports bike experience if I wanted to know what the class was all about. Might as well try something with a few more years of development if the prices are affordable.
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I would listen to the trimmer of hedges
He has lots of experience of crashing. Riding that class of motorcycle :b
For what its worth id like to try a gsxr 750 too but i know it wouldnt be comfy for me as my fz1 wasnt. The fz1 was pretty heavy and i think the lightweight 750 would be a good compromise for the roads and corners.
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yep i think its still the GSXR then....
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Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)
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While on the subject, theres a great book about the early GSXR's, its more like a biography of Jamie Whitam and his early racing carrier, and his time with Mick Grant, it sort of starts on topic then quickly goes off on a tangent.
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Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)
No an SRAD is pre K series, up to 99, then you had the Y model (same as the K1) in 2000, then K1 for 2001, K2 2002 and so on. The Y and the K1 models are the same bike and as mentioned they have a brutal power delivery, which they tamed down in 2002 onwards. The 750 K1 was quicker than the 1000 of the same age. If you want an easy bike to ride then I would say the 750 k1 is not the bike for you. Try a 750 SRAD.
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Is the SRAD a K1 then...or was it SRAD & then K1.....tbh all this K businness irks me, always has done....no need for it.....i like punkstigs review on his one. 8)
No an SRAD is pre K series, up to 99, then you had the Y model (same as the K1) in 2000, then K1 for 2001, K2 2002 and so on. The Y and the K1 models are the same bike and as mentioned they have a brutal power delivery, which they tamed down in 2002 onwards. The 750 K1 was quicker than the 1000 of the same age. If you want an easy bike to ride then I would say the 750 k1 is not the bike for you. Try a 750 SRAD.
Cheers deefer....now that you explain it then it suddenly becomes apparent why the K although i suppose you could say that about any bike and stick a k in front instead of 2000......although they shoulda really called the 2K1, 2k2 etc.......god im pernickity :rolleyes
So it is decided.......Anuts.......get one o those SRAD thingies.....should be cheap enough being a bit older.
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its looking like the most efficient way to try a sports bike...
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its looking like the most efficient way to try a sports bike...
Oh decisions, decisions :lol
Get a move on will ya, it's getting near winter and we want an update before santa arrives :b
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Look at the price difference between an SRAD and a K1 and that should tell you all you need to know... Decent Y/K1 series seem to fetch (or have been fetching) more money, As they are highly prized amongst the track day boys. For ease of riding go for an early SRAD as they had carbs, the later ones changed to FI and the standard fueling set up them is fucking horrendous. They can be improved with a PCIII and a custom map but this wont add any value to the bike in the long term if you are using the bike as a stepping stone into sports bikes.
Just as a thought have you looked at FZR's? the 1000 RU exup is still a quick bike, easy to ride & can be picked up quite cheaply?
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Look at the price difference between an SRAD and a K1 and that should tell you all you need to know... Decent Y/K1 series seem to fetch (or have been fetching) more money, As they are highly prized amongst the track day boys. For ease of riding go for an early SRAD as they had carbs, the later ones changed to FI and the standard fueling set up them is fucking horrendous. They can be improved with a PCIII and a custom map but this wont add any value to the bike in the long term if you are using the bike as a stepping stone into sports bikes.
Just as a thought have you looked at FZR's? the 1000 RU exup is still a quick bike, easy to ride & can be picked up quite cheaply?
I wouldn't go for the 1000 EXUP as first sports bike, very heavy steering in comparison to newer bikes, even using lots of countersteer it still took a lot of muscle to pull it down into turns.
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Not sure why im getting involved as i cant afford another bike :'(
Always interesting to hear about other bikes 8)
I feel some pics are required.
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And another pic.......not that im seriously suggesting a TL1000R.......because i believe they are too lardy........but boy they look sexy.....always lived the look of them........& the gsxrSRAD has a simillar look about it.
The headlights on those SRADs really set them off i reckon......a strange bit to like but there we are.
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My RU, so dissapointing after wanting one for so long, was like finding out your hot date has meat and two veg
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so, i have been looking at K3/4/5, as they are usually between 2-3K, or an SRAD which is less, but i don't want to buy a total rust bucked or something that will need lots of work like my FZS600 did i.e. shocks and springs, so at 18 stone i wonder how well its setup for my big bones
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so, i have been looking at K3/4/5, as they are usually between 2-3K, or an SRAD which is less, but i don't want to buy a total rust bucked or something that will need lots of work like my FZS600 did i.e. shocks and springs, so at 18 stone i wonder how well its setup for my big bones
You need to consider any bike you look at at this age may require a new shock etc so providing its in fair condition it may be worth going with an earlier bike and spending some of the money you save on the asking price on suspension.
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good point regards the suspension, after all i had to do the same on my FZS600, new R6 shock and changed fork springs....
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I would listen to the trimmer of hedges
He has lots of experience of crashing. Riding that class of motorcycle :b
For what its worth id like to try a gsxr 750 too but i know it wouldnt be comfy for me as my fz1 wasnt. The fz1 was pretty heavy and i think the lightweight 750 would be a good compromise for the roads and corners.
You do know they're completely different riding positions Nogster - the 750 has clipons!
Around town at low speeds, I prefer flat bars. For every other riding, I prefer clipons - so as little of my riding is around town a sports bike made more sense!
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so, i have been looking at K3/4/5, as they are usually between 2-3K, or an SRAD which is less, but i don't want to buy a total rust bucked or something that will need lots of work like my FZS600 did i.e. shocks and springs, so at 18 stone i wonder how well its setup for my big bones
You need to consider any bike you look at at this age may require a new shock etc so providing its in fair condition it may be worth going with an earlier bike and spending some of the money you save on the asking price on suspension.
Mr bloggs has a good point......but on the other hand you want to try experience the bike as it was meant to be rather than how it is with some fancy shock that might make it far too stiff or unforgiving or whatever......this is what i did with my thou and in hindsight i probably would have much preferred the standard suspension.....but i wouldnt really trust sellers saying "sorted" suspension, just because it says nitron or ohlins doesnt mean it will be right for you.........18 stone is heavy though..........i must be about that fully kitted up and on my noggytrx i have a standard yzf750 rear shock, 90's era and it is spot on.......looks a bit scabby but it is plush.......so a standard shock on a gsxr id hazard a guess at being perfectly fine for you albeit maybe a rebuilt one for peace of mind.
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I would listen to the trimmer of hedges
He has lots of experience of crashing. Riding that class of motorcycle :b
For what its worth id like to try a gsxr 750 too but i know it wouldnt be comfy for me as my fz1 wasnt. The fz1 was pretty heavy and i think the lightweight 750 would be a good compromise for the roads and corners.
You do know they're completely different riding positions Nogster - the 750 has clipons!
Around town at low speeds, I prefer flat bars. For every other riding, I prefer clipons - so as little of my riding is around town a sports bike made more sense!
Yeh joe appreciate that mate.......id love to try a bike with clip ons and see what fun i can have.........wrist pain would be less of a concern to me than legs being too cramped....leg cramp is just bloody awful......the lying down position although limiting vision ahead over cars etc i also think i would quite like.
Interested in following anutz here to see what his whole experience is.......then ill be getting a bigger shed so i have room for another bike 8)
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I wouldn't go for the 1000 EXUP as first sports bike, very heavy steering in comparison to newer bikes, even using lots of countersteer it still took a lot of muscle to pull it down into turns.
This is what I mean by going for something with a bit more development. Plenty of modern upright bikes probably handle as good or better than earlier sports bikes, so I think you might be short-changing yourself by buying older models. It seems many experienced riders rate the K5 as the best of the bunch - that's the one I would aim for, and even then, you're still talking about a bike that's 10 years behind. My own sports bike experience is waaaay out of date, but I do understand that things have come a long way since I could ride them, and don't see the point of going back to older tech if you want to sample that world. Sports bikes are about cutting edge in handling and performance - I say save a bit more, and go later.
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looking at K4/5 models, they are in the 2-3K bracket and there is a few on ebay regularly, cannot afford K6+ as they seem to jump 3K+
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In reply to Hedgetrimmers last post this was also why I mentioned the 400 market, OK so didn't understand the size of the op but as fars as cutting edge sports bikes go something like a FZR400 RRSP, chassis wise, is going to be up there with the best of them. They were only produced to allow them to compete in the Japanese home race series, and not being to powerful means you can scream the hell out of the engine (17000 rpm) and use the race derived chassis to attack corners like you can only dream of on larger capacity bikes.
I've never ridden the FZR but had a blast on a Tri arm and a ZXR400 and both were amazing fun. I took the Honda down one of my favorite roads and had my foot wedged between the road and frame through one of the corners, completely bonkers.
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I would listen to the trimmer of hedges
He has lots of experience of crashing. Riding that class of motorcycle :b
For what its worth id like to try a gsxr 750 too but i know it wouldnt be comfy for me as my fz1 wasnt. The fz1 was pretty heavy and i think the lightweight 750 would be a good compromise for the roads and corners.
You do know they're completely different riding positions Nogster - the 750 has clipons!
Around town at low speeds, I prefer flat bars. For every other riding, I prefer clipons - so as little of my riding is around town a sports bike made more sense!
Yeh joe appreciate that mate.......id love to try a bike with clip ons and see what fun i can have.........wrist pain would be less of a concern to me than legs being too cramped....leg cramp is just bloody awful......the lying down position although limiting vision ahead over cars etc i also think i would quite like.
Interested in following anutz here to see what his whole experience is.......then ill be getting a bigger shed so i have room for another bike 8)
Rearsets - just adjust them down and back!
Time for the shed extension and the "what sports bike should I get" thread? ;)
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What a hilarious question :-).
Why not compare chalk and cheese ?
Gonna go touring in Europe, then a Fazer is the answer.
Want to go hell for leather on the track or twisties then the GSXR 750 is just a stunningly superb piece of kit.
I'll give the Suzuki stick with every breath I draw purely because it is about as chav bling as you get ....BUT.... what an awesome piece of kit. Superb handling, superb engine.
If you do get one, the newer the better, the old K1/W versions had gearboxes made out of chocolate. It's an immense amount of power for a 750 so look after it. If anything goes wrong expect it to be expensive.
Anyone who wants to disagree..... you're welcome to your educate opinion over my hearsay any day of the week.
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Interesting point from Joe about rear sets.........i had them on my FZ1 & there was no ammount of adjusting that would make them comfortable.......but this was on an upright bike.
Guessing that Anutz is reasonably tall, above 5 foot 10.........then leg position may also play a part in deciding.
I suppose that with lying down you can then extend the legs backwards and perhaps there is a sportsbike out there that has a long hirizontal reach to the pegs.......mentioned this a few times before but i sat on an R1 once......i think it was only a few years old.....again i was surprised as to look at i thought theres no way that will be comfy but because i was lying down my feet on the rearsets felt quite natural as if i could happily lie there like a wild cat lying on a branch.
But yeh if i was looking for a sports bike i think thats what id do...measure the horizontal distance to the pegs.....they all have to have a certain distance vertically to stop grounding but nobody seems to mention the horizontal distance.
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Interesting point from Joe about rear sets.........i had them on my FZ1 & there was no ammount of adjusting that would make them comfortable.......but this was on an upright bike.
Guessing that Anutz is reasonably tall, above 5 foot 10.........then leg position may also play a part in deciding.
I suppose that with lying down you can then extend the legs backwards and perhaps there is a sportsbike out there that has a long hirizontal reach to the pegs.......mentioned this a few times before but i sat on an R1 once......i think it was only a few years old.....again i was surprised as to look at i thought theres no way that will be comfy but because i was lying down my feet on the rearsets felt quite natural as if i could happily lie there like a wild cat lying on a branch.
But yeh if i was looking for a sports bike i think thats what id do...measure the horizontal distance to the pegs.....they all have to have a certain distance vertically to stop grounding but nobody seems to mention the horizontal distance.
you flatter me noggy, i am 5 ft 9, and about as wide :lol , i also seem to have short legs and a long body, so i look very strange...almost ape like
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Interesting point from Joe about rear sets.........i had them on my FZ1 & there was no ammount of adjusting that would make them comfortable.......but this was on an upright bike.
Guessing that Anutz is reasonably tall, above 5 foot 10.........then leg position may also play a part in deciding.
I suppose that with lying down you can then extend the legs backwards and perhaps there is a sportsbike out there that has a long hirizontal reach to the pegs.......mentioned this a few times before but i sat on an R1 once......i think it was only a few years old.....again i was surprised as to look at i thought theres no way that will be comfy but because i was lying down my feet on the rearsets felt quite natural as if i could happily lie there like a wild cat lying on a branch.
But yeh if i was looking for a sports bike i think thats what id do...measure the horizontal distance to the pegs.....they all have to have a certain distance vertically to stop grounding but nobody seems to mention the horizontal distance.
you flatter me noggy, i am 5 ft 9, and about as wide :lol , i also seem to have short legs and a long body, so i look very strange...almost ape like
Thats alright mate........im a ferengi :evil
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'll give the Suzuki stick with every breath I draw purely because it is about as chav bling as you get ....BUT.... what an awesome piece of kit. Superb handling, superb engine.
Nah that's why they created the R6/R1.... to keep the chavs and the wankers off of gixxers
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8) .....bit more classy....what id have...although im not classy :) .
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So i have one!!!!!
So far its extremely comfy just sitting on it and moving it around, but will need a ride.
Insuring it now!
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Interesting point from Joe about rear sets.........i had them on my FZ1 & there was no ammount of adjusting that would make them comfortable.......but this was on an upright bike.
Guessing that Anutz is reasonably tall, above 5 foot 10.........then leg position may also play a part in deciding.
I suppose that with lying down you can then extend the legs backwards and perhaps there is a sportsbike out there that has a long hirizontal reach to the pegs.......mentioned this a few times before but i sat on an R1 once......i think it was only a few years old.....again i was surprised as to look at i thought theres no way that will be comfy but because i was lying down my feet on the rearsets felt quite natural as if i could happily lie there like a wild cat lying on a branch.
But yeh if i was looking for a sports bike i think thats what id do...measure the horizontal distance to the pegs.....they all have to have a certain distance vertically to stop grounding but nobody seems to mention the horizontal distance.
Other option Noggy - you can get jack up plates (poor mans rearsets) for nearly every bike off eBay. Just flip them to the other side and they're now down and back instead of up and forward. Quite a lot of the older guys have done that on the ZX9R forum so they can keep riding them at 70+!
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So i have one!!!!!
So far its extremely comfy just sitting on it and moving it around, but will need a ride.
Insuring it now!
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Looks mint anutz, cracking find I think :)
But I would say, get your leathers on and give it a whirl and report back with your big grin on your face :b
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its in very nice condition, very happy with it, need to get some drier weather, but i have been around the block on it a few times and it handles very nicely, i really like the riding position, but can understand why some do not.
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Very nice Anutz, nice colour scheme 8)
call me sensible but id be inclined to say just leave her until next season....you know you have her now and can look forward to all the hooning around with hot tyres and zero ice and grit and shit to spoil your fun.
I hate seeing other folk getting a new bike...makes me want to try something else damnit
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Fuk me.....here we go ......
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I have a 1999 blue and white 750 SRAD and it is amazing. It is a different riding position but comfy for a sports bike. Way more power and speed, enough of a difference to justify having both. Feels special every time I ride it. Belly resting on the tank keeps weight off the wrists.
I am putting it up for sale so pm me if you are interested in trying it.
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Down to personal preference but I prefer it to the newer models as it has more character. It is also a low cost bike to own and maintain.
I suggest you test ride a few, new and old. Also watch baron von grumble riding an old lady on you tube.
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So just been out for a 50 mile tootle, first real ride on it....just been up and down the road the past week as its been so bad weather wise.
First impressions, love the position for now, been out for 45 minutes and my back is fine ( i have a bad back, all sorts cracked and slipped ), did not have an issue with excess weight on my wrists, and no numbness in my hands, legs did a lot of the gripping on the massive tank etc...accessing the controls is easy enough and its really nice to be able to see whats behind me in the mirrors, they are very well positioned once adjusted.
Generally its so much easier than the FZS600 to ride. Throttle is easy to control, the power it has is lovely, its not flipping the front up all the time but am sure it will if you want it to, i over took some cars on a stretch of road i use a lot and it was so much more re-assured than the FZS 600, simply roll it on and its pulling...
took a few corners for me to learn how it wants to tip in and how different it feels from the FZS600 but after that its very easy to control and feel more stable on it than the FZS600, but then they are 2 totally different bikes, did open it up on one stretch that is basically a long left and then long right hander and i found myself naturally lying on the tank and in a more racey position, took no effort to get it to flick from side to side, before i knew it, i was through the bends.
It has an ohlins steering damper and ohlins read shock as well as uprated springs so its not stock for reference, i need to see how they are set but for now they seem to suit me fine.
But at least if anyone else is wondering so far, the FZS600 was my first bike after passing my tests ( i did it at 20 and never got a bike till this last Jan, i.e. 10 years since passing ) and the GSXR750 so far is by no means too much to handle, i had the concern any sports bike would be a handful, but for now its done as i asked and behaved nicely in town etc...
More to follow when i get on some proper roads, i suspect that will be an eye opener!
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But at least if anyone else is wondering so far, the FZS600 was my first bike after passing my tests ( i did it at 20 and never got a bike till this last Jan, i.e. 10 years since passing ) and the GSXR750 so far is by no means too much to handle, i had the concern any sports bike would be a handful, but for now its done as i asked and behaved nicely in town etc...
More to follow when i get on some proper roads, i suspect that will be an eye opener!
I don't think its the low speed acceleration that really makes that much difference between anything over 600cc its the way the more powerful bikes just keep going, 110, 120, 130, 140 etc almost as fast as you can say it and the speed at which you suddenly find yourself approaching your favorite bend is what makes the difference, first time I really opened up my ZX9 on one of my local roads I ended up slower through the corners simply because I over braked, my GPZ would be lucky to hit the ton between these to corners, on the 9 it would be closer to 150, mental.
Wait till next year bud, your going to love it
One down side which nobodies mentioned is the cost of keeping one of these in tires, if you use it in anger, you could be looking at sub 2000 miles out of a rear and I've never got much more out of a front. :eek
Nice looking bike though :D
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cannot wait till next year when its nicer weather.....as you say, suspect i will love it...been very restricted today as you can image, nice greasy patches every where, but when i got the chance it was a pleasure and so easy to get going...
agreed it just seems to pull and want to keep pulling, very nice....
i do ride pretty aggressive on the FZS600, and expect i may do so on this, so will keep an eye on the tyres...
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Any updates anutz????
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Hi noggy...
So not been out on it too much due to the weather BUT have managed a few quick runs on some faster and twisty roads, and its extremely easy to get into the corners and flick around, compared to the FZS 600 on the same roads, and gagging to get it out on the runs i usually do when the suns out, have been out in the damp and rain a bit as well but i do tend to wait for nicer days before i hit the country roads i usually enjoy.
Have been playing with the adjustable steering damper that was fitted, never had one to mess around with before and think i have found a good setting for me, surprised just how much resistance you can set dampers up with but sure there is a good reason when you are at higher speeds such as on a track, something i will try next year at Croft hopefully.
Main thing is still really liking the position as well, have done about 60 minutes so far in one go and actually had less issues than i would have had on the FZS600, legs doing a lot more work than the arms. No problems with cramp in my legs or my wrists, i sometimes used to get issues on the FZS 600 with both, and i think it was much easier to get thrown about on the FZS 600 under acceleration. The position really does want to pull you into leaning off the bike as well or moving around a lot more which i suppose is to be expected with the clipons. All in all feels much more natural way to ride a bike as opposed to up-right and its not caused my back any issues at all, in fact has taken some pressure off it.
One thing someone mentioned in the threard earlier was at certain speeds the air holds you up, and i found that on some of the fast roads, at reasonable speeds 40-50+ it was surprising how you end up having your weight taken by the air but not being pushed off the bike....
So in general going well, no nasty surprises, now we just need to weather to behave, it has not got a snorkel or skiis sadly
Hopefully i will be able to have a Christmas day ride like a few friends did last Christmas day to work on their bikes, where as i walked, hopefully not this year!
Anutz!
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Had a lovely day yesterday, cracking weather in the North East, went out on all my usual roads and really got to open the bike up, gobsmakked at how it flatters me lol, left friends for dead in some cases which the FZS could not do, and really nailed every corner, very confidence inspiring bike.
No real negatives at the moment and my initial worries of the change in type of bike have been settled....
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Thought i would add an update...
So, have done around 5000 miles on the GSXR and i have enjoyed it, its fast, precise and very involving, but i also think that for me is what makes it a little too focused/aggressive for the road riding i do....
When i ride the GSXR its all about intensity, but the FZS600 has a lot of fun and practicality for me, and ...may be stating the obvious, and they are bikes built for different purposes...worth while experience and glad i bought it..
I will be keeping it, for the odd ride, and maybe try some track days...currently now considering a FZS1000.....or another naked 1000
Anutz
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ive owned both, the gsxr will feel like its pulling your arms off when on full chat and just seems to rev forever, doing 140mph is piss easy and becomes a everyday occurance, brakes are stunning, I had to sell mine before it killed me and then bought a fzs600 to help me slow down, gsxr750 is lovely and smooth and extremely fast and a much better bike than I am rider
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Good to hear updates....what about the comfort Anutz???
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Good to hear updates....what about the comfort Anutz???
so this is an interesting one..
On one hand i have had no issues with my back or neck, which i expected would drive me insane, after lots of long rides, no pain....with the issues i have in my lower back, sponylolithesis, i would have expected issues, but if anything the position for me allowed less pressure on the back, and lots of work done by the legs. It took some getting used to, but the benefits were obvious when at speed and cornering....low speed movement for me was an total pain in the ass, but its not means for that.
The only issue i had was that the operation of the throttle caused some weakness in my right pinky, and other fingers, Ulnar Nerve Entrapment is what i am told its called, and it can usually happen as the nerve gets pinched at the elbow or in the wrist, so i think, and my physio agrees, its in the wrist....i would feel such a stretch in the outside of my wrist and the fingers would be a little weak, the outside palm numb....
Literally after a week or two of consistent riding when i was on holidays, lots of 2-3 hour stints, flared it up, seems ok now but any more than an 1.5 hours and its niggles me, so i take a break, but its also less of an issue now i am relaxed on the bike and have got to grips with it, also i try to grip the throttle lower down my palm so less extension at the wrist is needed to open the throttle up...
So....good points, i.e. forces you into a position and angle to go "with" it...and before you know if you have finished the corners at speed.....very much feel like you are part of the bike....
bad, some issues with the throttle angle, at least in my case, but am sure all riders, in particular on a sports bike do have some niggles they work around.
will add more updates as i am sure i will have more mind changes....will add some more comments on Flakeys responses as its also a consideration
Anutz!
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ive owned both, the gsxr will feel like its pulling your arms off when on full chat and just seems to rev forever, doing 140mph is piss easy and becomes a everyday occurance, brakes are stunning, I had to sell mine before it killed me and then bought a fzs600 to help me slow down, gsxr750 is lovely and smooth and extremely fast and a much better bike than I am rider
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i think the GSXR has made me aware of what bikes can do, and also improved my confidence and riding skills, but as you note, its willingness to perform effortlessly at speed is a consideration, its true its all in the wrist but reality is when you are on machines and in cars that have this type of power, things can get out of control very quickly even with best intentions. The FZS600 is slower as we all know, and riding them back to back shows it up, but then it still puts a smile on my face and i relax more when i am riding it than the GSXR....very glad i have it however for now, but just need to consider what is more sensible, i think i have had my "fix" of sports bikes for now and over the past 8 months has satisfied that curiosity......at least until the sun shines and i hear a sports bike fly down the bottom road!
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Anutz
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on a track the srad + k series 750`s are awesome on the real roads i`ll you aint gunna loose a well ridden fazer ;-)
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on a track the srad + k series 750`s are awesome on the real roads i`ll you aint gunna loose a well ridden fazer ;-)
Thats not really true, no matter how well you ride, your not going to hang on to the tail of a well ridden R6, CBR, ZX6 etc if they use their bike's capabilities you will get left behind.
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from my experience, and having ridden both on roads i know like the back of my hand, the GSXR would be quicker without a doubt no matter how hard i rode it, the FZS600 would not be able to get out of the corners as quick or hold the line at speed in some of them, not to mention not accelerate as fast etc.
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The thing that entices me about the 750 is that it is the same weight as a 600 so whilst having more power it should be as flickable and so is therefore in my book both better than the 600 & the 1000.....a basic view ok but there we go.
It is true that there is no such thing as the perfect bike.....my 600 was a good all rounder but sometimes lacked excitement, the thou was powerful but too heavy....my trx handles a dream & has lovely low down oomph with character but runs out of puff.
Still want to try one o these 750's though....ive got the itch.
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The only problem with the 750's, well with almost any modern supersport bike is the top end, very easy to use, even on our congested roads but get caught and you'll be looking at an instant ban if not prison. I know the throttle works both ways but the way I see it is if you've got it you'll use it, well its rude not to.
I still say the best way is something like one of the race rep 400's, with only about 70bhp you have to concerntrate on braking, corner speed and the right gear to get the best out of it, bit gutless on motorways obviously but if you want to go touring your not in the market for one of these anyway.
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on a track the srad + k series 750`s are awesome on the real roads i`ll you aint gunna loose a well ridden fazer ;-)
Thats not really true, no matter how well you ride, your not going to hang on to the tail of a well ridden R6, CBR, ZX6 etc if they use their bike's capabilities you will get left behind.
I must be a better rider than I thought - other day my Boxeye caught (and lost) a CBR power ranger +FZ6 on twists and straights but for the love of god couldn't lose nor get caught by the ZX6. Think we all under estimate the carb Fazer.
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I was in this bike shop when this lad turns up on a GPZ500 and he starts telling me how he beat a 1000RX (this is awhile back) he wouldn't be told his 500 wasn't really capable of taking on the RX but he insisted his was the quicker bike. I left him after explaining he couldn't catch a well ridden RX on his piece of shit without the tail wind from a nuclear bomb......
A quicker bike will always beat a slower one given two riders with the same abilities, if you manage to pass a faster bike, its you not the fazer that beat them
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I need to keep this thread going these bikes excite me.......probably as i am getting in jack shit worth of riding this year...........so if they arent great tourers that doesnt really bother me.
Get some more pics up Anutz, we need pics. :useless
I recall Punkstig saying he had an srad & it was supreme and he would have another.......but he just got another thundercat..........but anyway....are the early srad carb models the best ones to go for????
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I need to keep this thread going these bikes excite me.......probably as i am getting in jack shit worth of riding this year...........so if they arent great tourers that doesnt really bother me.
Get some more pics up Anutz, we need pics. :useless
I recall Punkstig saying he had an srad & it was supreme and he would have another.......but he just got another thundercat..........but anyway....are the early srad carb models the best ones to go for????
will get some up noggy, i would love to try and SRAD, they are supposed to be a lot of fun...mine is a K3, is it the same or not, or what different with an SRAD?
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thought i would add an update on here....as i had a strange issue tonight...
went out and the bike started dropping to low RPM's when cruising, very hesitant and not happy at all, sounded terrible, all muddled and boggy ( technical terms.. :lol ), and a distinct possibility of it stalling...
took it home, and disconnected the PCIII......had 2 affects...
been out for an hour and it not once faulted....and secondly its a totally different bike at low RPM....
I think the PCIII map i had on, must have been starving the low RPM, and boosting mid range, at least thats how its been feeling previously, it has been a little rough down low and then massive surges of power mid range and onwards to infinty, now with the PCIII off its been a very different ride, and its really surprised me.
i maybe should have not put one on so quick when i got it, withing a few weeks, as i had not yet got to grips with the bike or tried to push it etc, i think i have been missing out on how smooth and torqued the low end is.....yes not up there with other bikes i.e. 1000cc but since the PCIII has been removed, its different and i like it....will see if its robbed the mid range tommorow when i get out on some nicer roads.
anyway, still up and down on the 1000cc front, should i or should i not.....i want to try one but also not sure if i should just settle on this for a few years...i might paint it, after all the fender i did turned out well!
Anutz!
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I think staying with the 750 would be the best option, it doesn't owe you much so you can scratch around to your hearts content and if it all goes pete tong you would get most of your money back breaking it.
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So, after a hundred miles or so today, removing the PC3 has stopped any of the engine issues i had and the change in behaviour at low RPM is fantastic, so very happy.
Not sure if i could have just left the PC3 on and messed with fuel maps but its off now and i don't miss it, the surges of power in the mid range are not as big, but thats actually no issue for me.
So i am wondering why you may fit a PC3, i just did it, well, i thought it would give the bike more power :) , but most likely due to how mine was mapped, it changed where you have the power....
Will be trying to look at adjusting the rear shock and front forks soon as its all a little too firm....will add some pics also as i already am confused with the preload...
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This is turning into an episode of This is Your Life :lol
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What did you have for breakfast this morning? Was it any good? :lol
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a crisp sandwich.....was awesome..... :b
more to follow :)
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cheese and onion?
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Refit the PC3 and get it on the dyno and have a custom map made to suit the bike, well worth it, thats what I eventually did with my FZ1, made a great difference.
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I was considering that, but then again, its really nice right now as it is, i would not want to loose the low down characteristics it appears to have right now, its perfect for how i ride.
Most likely will re-fit and then take it to be dyno'd with it connected and disconnected ( easy to clip and un-clip the connectors with if fitted ) , see if i can see that real difference and get a custom map as you say, would be nice to see what i think i feel behaviour wise in graphs etc
...His Dudeness....they were Salt and Vinegar, with some creme cheese!
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trying to figure out the preload on this rear shock spring on my GSXR, from what i can tell there is NONE, there are no more threads higher up the shock so i assume its got no preload?
Unless i have totally mis-understood my shock, it does have a remote reservoir and i am trying to find a model number so i can locate a user guide etc
reason i am looking at this is the bikes very very firm so need to do something about it, its rideable but a pain in the backside on these roads we have, unless is a perfect road its annoying to some degree...
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Brown or white bread?
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...a baguette!
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toasted?
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answer my shock question please...! :'(
and no - not toasted, i don't have a baguette toaster...but i would buy one if they sold them
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stick her under the grill next time nice and toasty
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I recall Punkstig saying he had an srad & it was supreme and he would have another.......but he just got another thundercat..........but anyway....are the early srad carb models the best ones to go for????
I had an early fi one, a motorbike journalist friend of mine declares the early carb ones to be the ones to go for!
I got a t'cat out of necessity as it is better for work than an SRAD, otherwise I'd have bought another srad without question- a shit load of bike for very little money!
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anyone got any ideas on this shock i linked to above, speaking to Sinto, we are wondering if its a spacer of some sort that is been used, you can see the pre-load collars that usually go up and down the threaded area appear to be doing nothing....
sounding like this may be a pain to sort i.e. need removing and then re-setting up...
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anyone got any ideas on this shock i linked to above, speaking to Sinto, we are wondering if its a spacer of some sort that is been used, you can see the pre-load collars that usually go up and down the threaded area appear to be doing nothing....
sounding like this may be a pain to sort i.e. need removing and then re-setting up...
mystery sloved, the external attachment mounted to the exhaust hanger, that controls a piston that controls pre-load etc, so its all done with that....so as i thought, me not understanding my shock!!!
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Could it be that all the pre load has been wound off, get a c spanner and try winding on more, the gold collar thingimijig, if somehow connected to the spring seat should move down as you wind the pre load on. As for pre load, that wont effect the spring rate so your shock will still be firm. I'd be having a butchers on GSXR forums and see what other owners are fitting to improve the ride
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So, been playing with it, as you turn the remote adjust you can see the gold collar move up and down, it has 8MM of travel i think up and down, so it does limit the preload adjustment...
I will mess around with it and also the damping settings for compression and rebound, if i cannot get it where i need to be it may need a re-spring....but we shall see
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from my experience, and having ridden both on roads i know like the back of my hand, the GSXR would be quicker without a doubt no matter how hard i rode it, the FZS600 would not be able to get out of the corners as quick or hold the line at speed in some of them, not to mention not accelerate as fast etc.
Never had a GSXR750 pass me on on the road on my Fzs600 yet. :eek
Even on a track day the only place one past me was on the main straight, but 3 corners before the main straight I would be ahead again. :lol :lol
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ok...but in the scenario where you were given the chance to ride each bike on the same track, which one do you think you would be faster on?
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Its not the the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. :lol
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but if its the same dog on different bikes?
lol...
i think this is going to be a stale mate, some think the GSXR is going to be faster, others the FZS600 will level peg it, from my side, riding both, i know which one i can push the hardest and fastest, but i am still very much a novice so happy that i may have little idea what i am rattling on about....
:)
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They are such different riding styles, you would want to be used to riding both to really make a comparison and have the sports bike set up for roads, not tracks (which most are set up for).
Any sportsbike over 750cc properly set up should beat the fazer on normal roads, but most I have embarrassed were not, they thought they were, but they were not.
I once swapped my 600 with a friend who had a gixxer 750 K5, after 20 miles I stopped and asked him why he had it set so hard, he thought it was fine. After 20 minutes adjusting everything back to the soft side of standard, it was a totally different machine and handled on the roads, then we had fun, still beat him though with the 600 :D and again when we swapped bikes :D
I had a fellow on a S1000RR (not Downey) follow me a few years ago around the West Cork Coast roads and when I stopped at a junction he says to me "I never thought those Fazer 1000s were that good". His face dropped to his boots when I told him it was the 600. Then his 2 friends arrived on a R1 and Gixxer 1000. He says to them "It's a foccing 600, we have been trying to stay with a foccing 600". :lol We pulled over at the petrol station and started chatting about handling and things. They had the bikes set up for track days (which they did a lot of). To hard for normal west Cork roads and they could not hold tight lines without dropping off the power. I suggested they take a not of their track day settings and take the setting back to standard and have 20 to 30mm sag at the front and 10 to 20 mm sag at the rear for road use. Unfortunately I never met them since to see how the got on.
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so a few more days passes, and i break something else, was trying to stop my rear headlight cluster rattling and ended up with both plastic lugs that attach it to the cowling breaking.....
So, after trying all sorts, and some different adhesives, i used a soldering iron to melt the bits back together - result, good as new and all sorted!
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Another job sorted, well done mate :)
Could maybe show this guy how to use plastic welding as he may well need it!
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but if its the same dog on different bikes?
lol...
i think this is going to be a stale mate, some think the GSXR is going to be faster, others the FZS600 will level peg it, from my side, riding both, i know which one i can push the hardest and fastest, but i am still very much a novice so happy that i may have little idea what i am rattling on about....
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at donington i am 3s a lap quicker on my gixxer6 than on my fazer 1000, and the fazer was kicking s1000rr's. on track it's all about corner speed and angle of dangle, and that is what a gsxr is designed for!
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no arguments on that one, i would expect my GSX750 to be faster on the track any day than my 600, and on the road...
also, as we can see from your pic, blue bikes are fast :lol
need to get me some leathers and get on a track....think thats next years thing
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Better ground clearance :thumbup