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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Paulfzs on 11 September 2014, 02:03:39 am
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After all the work ive put into my fazer getting it from almost scrap to gleaming i decided to paint the front fairing today but it came out a bit crap so was talking about getting it done by a pro...
Bike night tonight so off for a ride i go but a bike pulled alongside and opened the throttle so i tried to keep up... accidently in the wrong gear and bounced off the limiter for a second.. about 100 meters later id got up to about 100(kmh obviously) and i heard a strange noise, pulled over and i have a rattle/knocking sound coming from the right hand side, sounds like bottom end but not sure.
I limped home but the noise only seems to appear at 4000rpm+ and stops if i decelerate but happens more if i accelerate hard past 4000.
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the strange noise is probably someone you collided with , speeding :evil , stop road racing and use a track if you want to act like a fool on public roads
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Theres always one boring person. :z
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Pathetic
http://youtu.be/BWgEbYWho5k (http://youtu.be/BWgEbYWho5k)
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the strange noise is probably someone you collided with , speeding :evil , stop road racing and use a track if you want to act like a fool on public roads
You do realise this is a motorbike forum, full of like-minded people who nearly all kind of think the same?
Paul has got a problem with his bike which he's asking for help with, he hasn't come on here to be told off or insulted. :groan
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You could take the starter gear and clutch cover off and see if anything's loose.
I once forgot to change gear and looked down at the clocks and I was in the red zone. As far as I can remember the rev limiter (if it's got one) didn't kick in.
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
You've totally chosen to completely miss the point yet again!
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
You've totally chosen to completely miss the point yet again!
Ahem. DITTO .
Switched off now, point made, although clearly not received :rolleyes
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
You've totally chosen to completely miss the point yet again!
Ahem. DITTO .
Switched off now, point made, although clearly not received :rolleyes
No, no, no, i haven't finished yet.
When you have asked questions on here, or have asked for any further advice on several occasions, we have been more than accommodating in replying and giving you the help and knowledge that you have required, because that's what people do on forums.
What Paul has done is explain that he's turned a bike from a ropey condition into a good looking runner, which as i also know myself takes a lot of time and money to do, probably too much if i was to be honest.
Now he's saying he could have a serious engine problem, which must make him feel just a bit gutted at the very least, yet instead of offering any help to him you've decided to take a pop at him instead?
Are you getting some sort of kick out of doing that or something?
We already know about the dangers of speeding, just riding a bike is dangerous enough, but it's a risk we've chosen to take. ALL OF US.
So maybe sticking to the question that's being asked in the future would be a better way of responding, rather than making people stand in the naughty corner?
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:popcorn
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You could take the starter gear and clutch cover off and see if anything's loose.
I once forgot to change gear and looked down at the clocks and I was in the red zone. As far as I can remember the rev limiter (if it's got one) didn't kick in.
They definitely have a rev limiter. It cuts the power at around 14,000 until the revs drop down to about 12,500 and then the engine comes back as I found out over taking a bus (badly :lol) Hitting the limiter isn't going to cause any damage. If you were holding the throttle wide open for an extended period then yeah maybe but not just hitting it once and then back down. Paulfzs can you get a video of the noise? If not you should probably bring it to a mechanic and let him listen to it
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:popcorn
:rollin
I put it down to the age gap. Kids these days. Pha :lol
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Thanks for the help, will get a video once i get some oil, i drained the oil to check for metal but there was none so slight upside.
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You can't beat taking a Jap inline 4 up to the redline 8) .....it's what they are designed to do and the little 600 engine loves high revs....so long as it is in good working order and serviced properly then it isn't an issue......i thrashed my 600 and if anything it ran better afterwards.
Sounds like yours was ready to go Paul so don't go kicking yourself because you had a little bit of sport.
Good luck with getting it sorted out.
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Just throwing this out there but it isn't a clutch related rattle is it? Try revving it with the clutch lever pulled in when you take the video to see if there's any difference. I took my clutch apart to try and find a reason for a rattle that was apparently "normal" and a bit of the bikes character so I just accept it as that now and forget about it. It performs fine and the clutch was spotless, just one of them things on a 14 year old 4 cylinder I guess, they wont ever sound like a S1000R!
Tweety, I don't suppose you ever had an account previously called keratos did you? Haven't you got some better things to be doing such as trying to sound like Stephen Hawking leading a seminar on cleaning a bike engine with soda?
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I joined the forum recently having procured a FZS600 having previously owned a vstrom and before that a bandit, before that a GSXR ... a ZXR, diversion, street triple, goldwing, bantam, GS, BMW... List goes on. Came here on recommendation from a fellow biker who instructor at NW Police HQ, Hutton although he does not himself own a fz. My fellow blood bikers run a charity , or rather support a charity. I'm going to swear now....and be deliberately controversial ...
I'm fed up of running around for fkn idiots 'like minded' fools who think it's acceptable to treat roads like racetracks in the rightous opinion that it's somehow okay to thrill out on our roads in blatent disregard for other road users and pedestrians, no matter how you want to hide or dress up the forum posts. In my 40 yrs riding I've encountered more than a share of numpties who have blatent disregard for life, their own included. Unfortunately, we have to disregard our emotions and save lives irrespective of our personal views but the more people like you defend these 'innocent' actions , the bigger the task of re-education... I don't think we will ever stop... Evidently
In the unlikely event we ever meet , I'd take you by the scruff and introduce you to mothers and father's who have lost loved ones... And see if you then hold your arrogant head so high
Grow up !
Case closed , unnotifying from this thread , soap box dismantled, argue and self congratulate each other at your will... It won't be read by me. Don't care if I'm banned... If people find this view at odds with their convictions, then I am in the wrong place indeed.
And no...I don't know what keratos is other than a nasty scab ... How relevant if YOU to raise this
There.. I did say I would be controversial
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Hi paulfzs..........get the video done and post it up.......there are some good guys on here more than happy to help with your problem.......... :thumbup
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Many thanks, need to get oil tomorrow as shop didnt have the right oil today.. hate waiting
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Good that there was'nt any nasties in the old oil :D........will keep an eye on your posts...
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
You've totally chosen to completely miss the point yet again!
Ahem. DITTO .
Switched off now, point made, although clearly not received :rolleyes
Keratos?? If not then please come back Keratos, all is forgiven :rolleyes
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I joined the forum recently having procured a FZS600 having previously owned a vstrom and before that a bandit, before that a GSXR ... a ZXR, diversion, street triple, goldwing, bantam, GS, BMW... List goes on. Came here on recommendation from a fellow biker who instructor at NW Police HQ, Hutton although he does not himself own a fz. My fellow blood bikers run a charity , or rather support a charity. I'm going to swear now....and be deliberately controversial ...
I'm fed up of running around for fkn idiots 'like minded' fools who think it's acceptable to treat roads like racetracks in the rightous opinion that it's somehow okay to thrill out on our roads in blatent disregard for other road users and pedestrians, no matter how you want to hide or dress up the forum posts. In my 40 yrs riding I've encountered more than a share of numpties who have blatent disregard for life, their own included. Unfortunately, we have to disregard our emotions and save lives irrespective of our personal views but the more people like you defend these 'innocent' actions , the bigger the task of re-education... I don't think we will ever stop... Evidently
In the unlikely event we ever meet , I'd take you by the scruff and introduce you to mothers and father's who have lost loved ones... And see if you then hold your arrogant head so high
Grow up !
Case closed , unnotifying from this thread , soap box dismantled, argue and self congratulate each other at your will... It won't be read by me. Don't care if I'm banned... If people find this view at odds with their convictions, then I am in the wrong place indeed.
And no...I don't know what keratos is other than a nasty scab ... How relevant if YOU to raise this
There.. I did say I would be controversial
Riding at high speed on the wrong side of the road, causing a head on collision, AND i just read elsewhere they were also going the wrong way round a roundabout beforehand!!!
Maybe these "idiots" who treat the road like a "racetrack" need some sort of training...........oh...........wait a minute. :rolleyes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752691/Harry-crash-drama-Prince-s-shock-motorobike-outrider-smashes-head-taxi.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2752691/Harry-crash-drama-Prince-s-shock-motorobike-outrider-smashes-head-taxi.html)
Fortunately nobody was seriously injured.
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I wasn't really going to post about the speeds but i might aswell, ive been riding for a fair few years now and ive owned sports bikes up to 1.1 litre, ive had my fun with the throttle and i very rarely do it anymore, as Wednesday was bike night and i was on a dual carriageway i thought heck why not, ive done less than 400 miles since owning this bike and ive not been over 75-80.
The conditions where good, the road was clear other than about 5-6 cars which id filtered past and there wasn't a school near by, id say that is fair game for a bit of throttle fun, backed up by the other motorcyclist wanting to race me.
i have been on the track on various other bikes but not this one mainly because i can't afford it right now after spending so much on my bike to make it look good.
Now this was a fairly straight road with 2 roundabouts on it and no traffic on both of them, not that i was speeding through them anyway, i do indeed go out and get my knee down and pull wheelies, the wheelies are always on private land and the knee downs i do on an old unused roundabout, in terms of being a fool on a bike id say i act a fool when its safe to rather than those ive seen trying to kill themselves.
None the less my engine is broken so call it karma and you don't need to say anymore about it.
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I don't whether this is possible, but I wonder if you can get the sump off without taking the engine out.
That may allow you to check for crank and big end play.
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Don't think you need to justify yourself to anyone. We're all adults here well most of us
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I don't whether this is possible, but I wonder if you can get the sump off without taking the engine out.
That may allow you to check for crank and big end play.
It is possible to take the sump off with the engine in-situ, but it may not help diagnosis... this is the view you'll have:
(https://s19.postimg.cc/vtwsjln8j/oil_pickup.jpg)
... access to the big ends is pretty limited!
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put old oil back in to start it up, didnt see the point in putting new oil in to find the sound then draining it again after, it appears to of dissapeared.. even up to 8000rpm
drained oil put new oil and it sounds tons better, need to get out and give it a propper ride though.. i did notice something odd..
My speedo appears to have tourrettes , turned it on and it went to 40mph then to 0 then whenever i start it it seems to go up between 0 and 40mph.. it stopped doing it on the final 2 tries but it may do it again
Any ideas?
http://youtu.be/mtl_tiWGFik (http://youtu.be/mtl_tiWGFik)
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Yeah it does rattle a bit when its cold then pretty much gone when warm, cant ge tthe plugs out as i dont have the right socket
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To PaulFZS
Mine rattles when cold and then tends to quieten down.
[size=78%]First noticed it when it had done around 50,000 - 60,000 miles.[/size]
It's still rattling when cold, but now it's done 77,000 miles, but it still pulls and runs well.
I reckon it's a bit down on power from new, and it does use some oil, but not that much.
Maybe the noise you're hearing isn't a terminal issue.
From my experience Fazer motors are quite durable.
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PaulFZS
Are you sure you did not pop a hole in the down pipes, they can make some really funny sounds :)
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Dont think its that pretty sure it was inside the engine, sounded like my zxr 750 did when the oil drained itself. Sounded mechanical
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Started my bike up and stuck my ear on the clutch case and it sounds to be coming from the clutch.. although ive just remembered i forgot to try it with the clutch in.
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My speedo appears to have tourrettes , turned it on and it went to 40mph then to 0 then whenever i start it it seems to go up between 0 and 40mph.. it stopped doing it on the final 2 tries but it may do it again
On the thou gen 1, this would be a fault code, which the manual should tell you about. Would've thought similar on the 6?
Actually, on the thou, it'd be the rev counter giving a code, but still...?
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My speedo appears to have tourrettes , turned it on and it went to 40mph then to 0 then whenever i start it it seems to go up between 0 and 40mph.. it stopped doing it on the final 2 tries but it may do it again
On the thou gen 1, this would be a fault code, which the manual should tell you about. Would've thought similar on the 6?
Actually, on the thou, it'd be the rev counter giving a code, but still...?
Same as the 600, the rev counter gives the fault codes, mainly for speedo sensor or TPS.
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Started my bike up and stuck my ear on the clutch case and it sounds to be coming from the clutch.. although ive just remembered i forgot to try it with the clutch in.
All clutches rattle a bit some more than others that's normal. But normally they don't all of a sudden start rattling at certain revs
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Ok so took bike out for a small ride about 5 miles.. was running fine untill it got mid hot then it would rattle at 4k under hard acceleration.. on the way back it was super hot and would struggle to hit 60mph and started to rattle constantly..
Pulled over for a quick video.
http://youtu.be/Vw-aHbNLA88 (http://youtu.be/Vw-aHbNLA88)
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That certainly is not normal and does not sound good.
For starters, put bike on the side stand, remove the clutch cover and have a good look inside.
Last rattle I heard similar to that was after a fellow replaced the clutch and stripped one of the clutch bolts.
I certainly would not be driving it again until I find the problem.
Was the bike ever dropped?
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That certainly is not normal and does not sound good.
For starters, put bike on the side stand, remove the clutch cover and have a good look inside.
Last rattle I heard similar to that was after a fellow replaced the clutch and stripped one of the clutch bolts.
I certainly would not be driving it again until I find the problem.
Was the bike ever dropped?
Bikes not been dropped that i know of and no signs of any damage from being dropped, all engine castings and fairings in good condition, crash bars look fine.
not sure how i could strip a clutch bolt whilst riding. and it only happens when warm then hot.
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Not saying it is, but just a comment on the last time I heard a sound like that something was broken inside the engine. I have seen clutch bolts fall out and strip some time after the work was done because of hamfisted assembly.
Was there any work done on the engine recently other than the oil change?
If it struggles to get up speed it sounds like something is tighting within the engine and the only thing I have seen to do it was a dodgy shell bearing. I would strip the clutch, remove the sump and cam cover as a first line of checks.
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Damn bikes :(
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This noise sounds very familiar to me from years back.
Is it definitely the clutch area, i could be well off here but what about the water pump?
The fins can break causing noises like that and it could explain the overheating.
I'm hearing two things going on, that buzzing noise, plus a poor sounding engine noise as well.
Just out of curiosity, check your expansion tank and see if the level is correct, or at least how you last remember it?
If it all looks normal just ignore me and i will quietly go away. :rolleyes
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Its hard to tell where its coming from, if i put my ear up to the clutch case there is a tapping noise but doesn't sound the same as the knocking when i open the throttle.. best way to describe it is it sounds like a con rod bashing around the cylinder.
my zxr 750 sounded the same when the cct went though... the shells where knackered.
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I'm thinking a trip to a mechanics is a bit overdue mate, noises like that can only make things worse.
I know it's always nice to try and sort things yourself but the longer you leave it the more damage you might be doing. ;)
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So... i figured its a pretty bad problem but riding 5 miles letting it cool then going 5 more to a friend whos a wizzard with bikes and owns about 30 would be fine seeing as when its cool its perfectly fine...
Managed to get 15 miles with no signs of rattle or odd noises.. i thought it had cured itself.
Got most of the way untill i hit the motorway and hello screaming engine and down to 30mph... pulled over and got recovered...
got to friends got cover off and camchain seems to be fine... rattle sounds like its coming from the cylinder :(
Left bike there and had a £22 train ride back home.
Now im stuck what to do... do i take the engine out strip it and try fix it or do i cut my losses and sell as spares or repair.
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Depends on your situation. If you've got a bit of time sure you might as well strip it and see what's going on inside. You could get a used head and cams cheap enough if that's the problem or if you need it for everyday transport and you don't have the time to fix it maybe go down the replacement engine route, they're fairly reasonably priced you might even get one on here.
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Bottom end is dead.
New bottom end it is!
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The most common reason for the crank going on a fazer is that it has been down the road on it side with the engine revving high before the fuel runs out.
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Who knows what happened to it, nevermind atleast ill have peace of mind once its done
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Are you going to fit another engine? Repairing it is a very expensive option.
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I was going to fit a new bottom end as theres like 5000 on ebay for <£90
but a guy not far from me has an 03 fzs engine with only 23k miles fsh and valves just been done for £250.
for peace of mind i think im going to replace the whole engine, my fzs is currently on its 2nd engine with unknown mileage so the top end may well be almost dead too.
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I was going to fit a new bottom end as theres like 5000 on ebay for <£90
but a guy not far from me has an 03 fzs engine with only 23k miles fsh and valves just been done for £250.
for peace of mind i think im going to replace the whole engine, my fzs is currently on its 2nd engine with unknown mileage so the top end may well be almost dead too.
Good call :thumbup
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Im slightly nervous about doing it though, ive done full rebuilds on single cylinders and even truck engines but never done a big bike engine, i blew the bottom end on my old zxr 750 and got as far as the cylinder head off to inspect and gave up.
I do have a friend whos helping me do it, hes a god of bikes but hopefully this isn't too hard to swap over.
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So.. I'm not like minded as paul, no way, and I've personally met my like minded people on here including ex police officers and instructors, who would share my view. So yep, were like minded but not your like minded ;)
Safety is #1
Please don't indirectly promote speeding or road racing, please.
Hello mum, when did you sign up :D
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Im slightly nervous about doing it though, ive done full rebuilds on single cylinders and even truck engines but never done a big bike engine, i blew the bottom end on my old zxr 750 and got as far as the cylinder head off to inspect and gave up.
I do have a friend whos helping me do it, hes a god of bikes but hopefully this isn't too hard to swap over.
Most difficult part is taking the engine out of the frame and it comes out the right hand side
In addition to what the manual says, I found the that removing the Oil filter and the Thermostat housing makes it easier
Good luck :thumbup
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Many thanks ill remember that :)
Struggling to make final funds for engine as ive just paid rent but only £50 away so hopefully will be end of the week start of next
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Finaly got round to getting engine on its way, will be here saturday so i will be doing the engine change then....
Worrying like mad about the exhaust studs though!