Just wondering if anyone has used them before?
I'm looking to get my ecu flashed so I can get rid of this pc3 and also to smooth out the throttle etc etc
I've been looking around the web (and I've asked here in the past) and they are the name that keeps popping up. It's a 3 hour ride from me and gonna cost £360 so I just want to make sure they are the best people for the job haha
And if not are there any other recommendations?
I have no experience of them personally but this fella swears by them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7giZGJBSbk&t=9s hope this helps
I know what an ECU is, but what does getting it flashed mean?.
Oh and what's a pc3 also? :o
01-06-18, 08:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-18, 08:07 PM by Dudeofrude.)
It means changing the software on the Ecu to alter the bikes settings.
As a rule a standard flash will
- Remove Throttle restrictions
- Standard engine braking reduction
- Disable Injector Decel Cut
- Professional fuel map modification to suit exhaust
- Removal of all gear based or speed dependent restrictions, TRE
- Optimized timing maps for Super Unleaded fuel
- Disable AIS valve (always closed)
- Reduce Fan Temps to help keep the bike cooler
- Bypass EXUP valve
There's other bits and bobs they can play with too depending on what yiur specific bike needs.
A Pc3 is a Dynojet Power Commander 3, which is a fuelling module that acts as an middleman between your ecu and fuel injectors. It's basically allowed the fueling to altered manually instead of relying on the bikes sensors.
A lot of manufacturers will have the bikes running lean from factory to conform with emission tests, then when us numptys start adding free flowing air filters and big bore decatted exhausts it makes then run even leaner unless you have the fuelling changed.
But if I get the Ecu done I won't need the pc3 so I'll be able to sell that to recoup some of the cost...... is the plan anyway
On a related note, does anyone have an opinion on the safety of riding a tuned bike with the pc3 disconnected?
I've been informed of would need removing beforehand so that would mean a 2-3 hour ride with no custom map..... would that cause any problems other than crap fuelling?
(03-06-18, 04:16 PM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: On a related note, does anyone have an opinion on the safety of riding a tuned bike with the pc3 disconnected?
I've been informed of would need removing beforehand so that would mean a 2-3 hour ride with no custom map..... would that cause any problems other than crap fuelling?
Can you not just disconnect the pc3 when you get to Hilltop?
The tank and air filter housing has to come off anyway to access the ecu so just do it when you get there.
(03-06-18, 04:45 PM)slappy link Wrote: [quote author=Dudeofrude link=topic=24211.msg280800#msg280800 date=1528039011]
On a related note, does anyone have an opinion on the safety of riding a tuned bike with the pc3 disconnected?
I've been informed of would need removing beforehand so that would mean a 2-3 hour ride with no custom map..... would that cause any problems other than crap fuelling?
Can you not just disconnect the pc3 when you get to Hilltop?
The tank and air filter housing has to come off anyway to access the ecu so just do it when you get there.
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Thatsvwhat I would have thought but the guy on the phone insisted he'd want it removed before we started.
Well this is interesting. There seems to be a little drama surrounding this place. Apparently a lot of evidence that his 'tunes' are complete BS and that's hes actually a con man. Plenty of evidence to support it too, I'm glad I never got round to trying it out.
Here's a link to the guys calling him out
https://www.facebook.com/Treetoptuning/
(03-06-18, 08:00 PM)Dudeofrude link Wrote: [quote author=slappy link=topic=24211.msg280802#msg280802 date=1528040707]
[quote author=Dudeofrude link=topic=24211.msg280800#msg280800 date=1528039011]
On a related note, does anyone have an opinion on the safety of riding a tuned bike with the pc3 disconnected?
I've been informed of would need removing beforehand so that would mean a 2-3 hour ride with no custom map..... would that cause any problems other than crap fuelling?
Can you not just disconnect the pc3 when you get to Hilltop?
The tank and air filter housing has to come off anyway to access the ecu so just do it when you get there.
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Thats what I would have thought but the guy on the phone insisted he'd want it removed before we started.
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That's bollocks.
The Power Commander is plug and play. All it does is intercept the ECU commands and replace them with the custom map which it transmits to the FI system and plugs.
You disconnect it from the ECU, plug in the original connectors and you're back to the OEM map.
Hi Foccers
Do all FI bikes have diagnostic ports for access to the computer controlled fuel system...?
if so can't the average semi-computer literate foccer just get the relevant software onto his laptop and do the tuning or adjustments him (or HER)self...? or get yer grandson (or daughter) to turn yer bike into a MONSTER...? :book
(30-07-19, 12:59 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=Dudeofrude link=topic=24211.msg280808#msg280808 date=1528052441]
[quote author=slappy link=topic=24211.msg280802#msg280802 date=1528040707]
[quote author=Dudeofrude link=topic=24211.msg280800#msg280800 date=1528039011]
On a related note, does anyone have an opinion on the safety of riding a tuned bike with the pc3 disconnected?
I've been informed of would need removing beforehand so that would mean a 2-3 hour ride with no custom map..... would that cause any problems other than crap fuelling?
Can you not just disconnect the pc3 when you get to Hilltop?
The tank and air filter housing has to come off anyway to access the ecu so just do it when you get there.
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Thats what I would have thought but the guy on the phone insisted he'd want it removed before we started.
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That's bollocks.
The Power Commander is plug and play. All it does is intercept the ECU commands and replace them with the custom map which it transmits to the FI system and plugs.
You disconnect it from the ECU, plug in the original connectors and you're back to the OEM map.
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Yes, thats my understanding of the Power Commander too. Should I feel the need, I was told I could just disconnect it and plug the original connector back in to revert back to stock. Thats a PC5, on my S2 fazer, dont know if its different with the older models of PC
Would this be something we should be telling your insurance company about ?
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(30-07-19, 06:59 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Would this be something we should be telling your insurance company about ?
Course not officer Haha
No way to prove it or test for it so they wouldn't ever find out. Easy enough to plead ignorance too because you wouldn't know it had been done of you weren't told
(30-07-19, 06:59 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Would this be something we should be telling your insurance company about ?
I only use the Power Commander to smooth out the hole in the power curve between 5000-6000 rpm where Yamaha reduced the power to make the FZ6 look better on the emissions figures.
My insurance company is fine with that.
If I was using it to increase the power, they'd have a different opinion.
Note that, if you bin the bike and the insurance company take possession of it and it gets sold to a repairer, the news that there was an undeclared modification might cause them to take note and start asking for their money back...
(30-07-19, 10:16 PM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=24211.msg301139#msg301139 date=1564509572]
Would this be something we should be telling your insurance company about ?
I only use the Power Commander to smooth out the hole in the power curve between 5000-6000 rpm where Yamaha reduced the power to make the FZ6 look better on the emissions figures.
My insurance company is fine with that.
If I was using it to increase the power, they'd have a different opinion.
Note that, if you bin the bike and the insurance company take possession of it and it gets sold to a repairer, the news that there was an undeclared modification might cause them to take note and start asking for their money back...
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My Insurance co was fine about it. The danger is if you dont tell them, the bike gets binned, and the inspector reveals it being fitted with a PC. Depends upon the exact cicumstances, but it could cause a claim problem
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