Start delay

[jackomet]

Just got a 2002 Fazer, everything fine but I have to wait a minute or so before the I can start it.  Battery tested OK and no problems when it starts, runs great.  Stop it and then it starts straight away?
Any ideas?
JK

[bandit]

Hi, can you give us a bit more info,like do you here a clicking sound when you switch on,does the bike turn over when you first press the button turn over quickly or slowly initially. Don't discount the battery just yet as you said once it's started it runs fine & when you turn it off & restart it all's ok putting some charge into the battery.
If the battery is the original (japan motor co)one then it is probably due for renewal or may need a good recharge.   

[daviee]

more info needed

[jackomet]

OK, key in, ignition on, all panel lights on, press starter, zip, lights don't dim as if power was on the starter motor, no clicks, no noise.  Wait a couple of minutes, press starter and it fires up no problem.  Could be a delay on the immobiliser?  Not new to Fazers BTW, bought my first from new T reg.
JK

[His Dudeness]

could be corrosion in the starter button. try a spray of wd40 into the button and see if that improves it.

[kgjersda]

could be corrosion in the starter button. try a spray of wd40 into the button and see if that improves it.

I had this exact thing! WD40 solved it.

[Jules-C]

If it's exactly the same every time then unlikely to be poor contact as that would be more erratic. Immobiliser always makes it trickier and could be the cause of the problem

[daviee]

i would say starter  solenoid easy to check  switch the ignition on then bridge the two big power wires that go to it if it starts strait away then that your problem

[jackomet]

Hi,
Checked the solenoid, OK.  Shorted the started terminals and the engine turns but doesn't fire.  Beginning to suspect the Datatool alarm/immobiliser. When I first got it everything worked OK.  Does anyone know how to remove these things, Datatool reckon it has to be done vis a dealer? 


JK

[darrsi]

You say it starts okay straight after you 've got it running then switched off/on again.
Do you have these problems after the bike is left stationary for quite a while as in overnight, or all day?

Also, are you trying to start it when the bike's on the side stand?

[daviee]

data tool are c###ts and will not supply wiring diagrams or how too,s

[unfazed]

Hi,
Checked the solenoid, OK.  Shorted the started terminals and the engine turns but doesn't fire.  Beginning to suspect the Datatool alarm/immobiliser. When I first got it everything worked OK.  Does anyone know how to remove these things, Datatool reckon it has to be done vis a dealer? 
JK

Any idea which model of datatool it is?

[darrsi]

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Hi,
Checked the solenoid, OK.  Shorted the started terminals and the engine turns but doesn't fire.  Beginning to suspect the Datatool alarm/immobiliser. When I first got it everything worked OK.  Does anyone know how to remove these things, Datatool reckon it has to be done vis a dealer? 
JK

Any idea which model of datatool it is?
[/quote]


Datatool sounds like some political dating agency  :lol

[jackomet]

Hi,
Now it won't start, turn over, zip, ignition lights on bot no go,  It's a DataTool S4-C1 red,  Turns out the bike has been in a garage unused without a battery in it for nearly 2 years, which means the DataTool back up battery back went flat.  DataTool reckons, in their manual, that it unit may now need to be replaced, yeah right.  So I may need to get on to my pickup and take it to a DataTool dealer, much rather just rip it out, but without the circuit diagrams it would be difficult as the bloody thing is wired into everything.  Weird thing is when I took the main bike battery out to charge it the alarm went off (maybe life in the DataTool battery after all, but it appears to be screwed) and I haven't got the PIN number to re-set it to "factory settings".  At least I've still got my original Fazer to ride ATM but the idea was to sell that as I've got this newer one.
Pissed off JK. :'(

[BBROWN1664]

data tool are c###ts and will not supply wiring diagrams or how too,s

That's because you could be a thieving bastard that wants to steal something.
its also proprietary information that you could sell on

[unfazed]

Simplest thing to do is buy a replacement and plug it in.
If you have and can use a multimeter, removal of it would not be outside the scope of of a home mechanic.

[His Dudeness]

It's a bit extreme but could you take the whole loom out and replace it with a standard one? They're cheap and it'd require almost zero electrical skill http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FAZER-6...XQUmFSgliI

[unfazed]

Wouldn't go trying to fit that on a 2002 fazer  :eek The 1998 to 2001 harness is very different to the 2002, 2003 one.

[His Dudeness]

Wouldn't go trying to fit that on a 2002 fazer  :eek The 1998 to 2001 harness is very different to the 2002, 2003 one.

i looked at the bike under his profile name.

[jackomet]

Hi guys
Update, after lots of phone call and googling the shit out of everything to do with Datatool AKA Scorpion, turns out that there's a recall on this unit and Scorpion will fit a new one FOC!  RESULT!
So just waiting for mobile techie to come and replace the unit.
I am, or will be, a very happy bunny. 
Thanks for all your comments/help.
JK