gave the bike a bit of a clean after a blast out and noticed that the scottoiler vacuum adapter looked like it wasn't fitting the spigot tightly or was too small.
I contacted scottoiler and it turns out that the fazer gen 1 requires a different fitting to what comes in the standard scottoiler and they tell me that by using the standard fitting ( black) and not the larger ( grey) that it could cause lean running and burn out the valves which has now got me in a bit of a panic because I don't know how long the previous owner had it fitted ( although it looks quite new ) and I am getting some symptoms of lean surging.
Would a dodgy fitting scottoiler vacuum adapter cause the lean surge and is the burnt valves Armageddon warning from scottoiler a possibility ??
Also a warning to anyone with a gen 1 that hasn't got the grey adapter fitted that they should have one.
I'm not going to use it until the correct one arrives from scottoiler ( £8.50 inc post )
I bought a scottoiler for my 02 fzs600.
I received it but it sat in its box for nearly a month.
I then got a new vacuum spigot from them sent free of charge which according to them is the correct spigot.
Seems scottoiler could be in for a few engine damage claims if they're selling the product with the wrong fittings.
I will buy another one for my thou but will leave putting it on I case the same happens
from looking at their website they have model specific picture instructions and on there it says that you need the grey adapter which you can get free from them if you've bought the scottoiler new and need it ( I didn't and therefore can't ) :'( this is obviously a way of saving them money ( they are Scottish after all ) so they don't have to put both adapters in every kit when only a certain % of bikes need the bigger adapter , obviously the previous owner of mine didn't bother to wonder why the adapter didn't fit properly and if it was right.
A tiny amount of air leakage like that is unlikely to cause damage. It might make it trickier to get a good idle and balance the carbs, but making the mixture lean enough to burn out valves would be very doubtful.
Why not whip a couple of plugs out if you're concerned? I'd be surprised if the one you're using for the oiler's vacuum feed is running noticeably hotter.
I've got the black adapter on my 600 Foxeye. Fits fine. No problems for the last 36000 miles :-)
27-01-17, 07:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-01-17, 07:52 PM by BMCfaz.)
it's my Fazer in Scottoiler's photo of the grey adaptor. I only fitted it last year when the black one split and I thought it would be an easier fit with the larger adaptor. The black one had been on for years, i hadn't thought it was the wrong size and, until I spoke to Scottoiler, neither had they!
Providing the black one has sealed the spigot there should be no damage, so no need to panic.
This is the email they sent me , plus there's no clip on mine and it's not a good fit
Hello Graham,[/size]On the FZS1000, we recommend our grey (6mm) vacuum damper http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adap...e.tpl.htmlIt's important to use the Yamaha clip from the rubber cap it replaces (see photo).As you've found, the system will work but the smaller, standard (black, 4mm) has to be stretched a little too much to fit the spigots on the Fazer and could possibly spit, long term, which could allow your engine to draw air on that cylinder, causing a weak fuel mixture, which could burn out your valves - a risk not worth taking.Regards, Mark.Mark Celino Technical Support
Got my new piece today and thought I'd check the rest of the installation while I was there and it turns out that it needs another fucking bit that you don't get with the scottoiler and you have to get from them after buying it.
it's an offset chain adjuster thingy summat adapter cos as it is the oil tube don't reach the sprocket and it's been getting oil on the sprocket but lots of other places too because it don't reach.
Right now I feel like ripping the bloody thing off cos it turns out it's gonna cost me another £8 for that bit now
Seriously though why can't scottoiler give the right bits to fit the bike you've got,and buying it then contacting them to send you the extra bits in the post is a fucking shit way of doing it. :wall
In my experience (and I've fitted Scottoilers to 3 bikes), the standard kit comes with loads of various parts, and they also do some model specific kits for bikes that have particular requirements. If when you buy the kit, and you tell them what bike you have, they will work out the extra parts you need (if any) and send them to you for free. Not always the manufacturer's fault 
(28-01-17, 10:07 PM)mtread link Wrote: In my experience (and I've fitted Scottoilers to 3 bikes), the standard kit comes with loads of various parts, and they also do some model specific kits for bikes that have particular requirements. If when you buy the kit, and you tell them what bike you have, they will work out the extra parts you need (if any) and send them to you for free. Not always the manufacturer's fault I sort of get that but how frustrating must it be to buy your nice scottoiler , whip it out the box get your bike ready to fit it all only to find out you can't cos you need a vacuum damper that fits your bike and an offset chain adjuster adapter that you've got to order and wait for 3-4 days to be delivered, you might be pissed off and like the previous owner of mine just go fuck it and fit it anyhow :\
No idea what an "offset chain adaptor" is, I can't find it listed as an accessory on Scottoiler's website, and I'm sure I haven't got one on my setup.
If it's something you need to fit the thing properly, rather than an optional extra, it should be supplied as part of the kit, but I'm not convinced it is. Could you post a photo of it when you get it?
29-01-17, 01:56 AM
(This post was last modified: 29-01-17, 01:58 AM by Graham53.)
Sorry my bad , typing in anger it's a dispenser adapter , eccentric cam models
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adap...e.tpl.html
As listed on their instructions to fit
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/installation-guides.html
Sounds like the previous owner either ordered the wrong kit, fit it from another bike or was just incompetent. If you buy the fazer version you get the bits you need included... you can't really blame scotoil for the state of someone else's installation
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29-01-17, 12:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 29-01-17, 12:14 PM by BMCfaz.)
(29-01-17, 01:56 AM)Graham53 link Wrote: Sorry my bad , typing in anger it's a dispenser adapter , eccentric cam models
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adap...e.tpl.html
As listed on their instructions to fit
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/installation-guides.html
Ah, one of them! I've got a dual injector on mine, and it looks the same as the mount for that. Beware that it may break if you do the scews up too tight, I had to repair mine with hot glue.
It sounds like whoever fitted the system originally didn't use all the correct parts, Scottoiler do say:" NOTE: This product is FREE if you have already bought and registered your Scottoiler Kit or Accessory and the part is required for installation".
How did they fit the dispenser without this part and did it work? If it did, do you really need to change it?
I've heard that the inner injector on the dual system can clog.
(29-01-17, 12:12 PM)BMCfaz link Wrote: [quote author=Graham53 link=topic=21731.msg251083#msg251083 date=1485651408]
Sorry my bad , typing in anger it's a dispenser adapter , eccentric cam models
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adap...e.tpl.html
As listed on their instructions to fit
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/installation-guides.html
Ah, one of them! I've got a dual injector on mine, and it looks the same as the mount for that. Beware that it may break if you do the scews up too tight, I had to repair mine with hot glue.
It sounds like whoever fitted the system originally didn't use all the correct parts, Scottoiler do say:" NOTE: This product is FREE if you have already bought and registered your Scottoiler Kit or Accessory and the part is required for installation".
How did they fit the dispenser without this part and did it work? If it did, do you really need to change it?
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thats what I mean it seems that you buy the kit then register it and order the extra parts free , why not just put the right parts in in the first place, if the previous owner bought the wrong kit why would it say on their website that the fazer 1000 needs these additional free parts.
Not sure how he fitted it but it's cable tied doesn't have the eccentric cam adapter thingy and the oil pipe doesn't touch the sprocket like it shows on scottoiler and is probably why there's oil all over the place.
I've worked on quite a few Thous with Scottoilers and none of them have had the grey 6mm vacuum connector.
None of them have had problems with splitting or air leaks around the standard black connector supplied with the kit.
(30-01-17, 12:03 AM)Graham53 link Wrote: [quote author=BMCfaz link=topic=21731.msg251097#msg251097 date=1485688321]
[quote author=Graham53 link=topic=21731.msg251083#msg251083 date=1485651408]
Sorry my bad , typing in anger it's a dispenser adapter , eccentric cam models
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/Spares-Adap...e.tpl.html
As listed on their instructions to fit
http://www.scottoiler.com/uk/installation-guides.html
Ah, one of them! I've got a dual injector on mine, and it looks the same as the mount for that. Beware that it may break if you do the scews up too tight, I had to repair mine with hot glue.
It sounds like whoever fitted the system originally didn't use all the correct parts, Scottoiler do say:" NOTE: This product is FREE if you have already bought and registered your Scottoiler Kit or Accessory and the part is required for installation".
How did they fit the dispenser without this part and did it work? If it did, do you really need to change it?
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thats what I mean it seems that you buy the kit then register it and order the extra parts free , why not just put the right parts in in the first place, if the previous owner bought the wrong kit why would it say on their website that the fazer 1000 needs these additional free parts.
Not sure how he fitted it but it's cable tied doesn't have the eccentric cam adapter thingy and the oil pipe doesn't touch the sprocket like it shows on scottoiler and is probably why there's oil all over the place.
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I bought a couple of Scottoiler kits off Amazon a couple of years ago, one for the Fazer and one for the wife's VT750. Had no issues getting the FREE parts from Scottoiler and they only took a couple of days tops to arrive. Met Mark Celino at the NEC Bike show a year or so ago and said thanks for the excellent service.
I suppose if they put all of the parts they make, into every kit, it would increase the price of the kit and the weight for shipping etc and there would be a whole load of wastage to boot. :eek
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