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[maddog04]

was talking with the wife about Lewis Hamilton earning £15M pa and she said it was obscene. Her thoughts were Surgeons should be on that money as they're life savers of the highest order.
I took a twist on it and said what about the emergency services who save them first (the surgeon wouldn't see them if they weren't saved at the scene)
good point she says but surgeons also do hearts/kidneys/cancer etc so I gave her that one
but my all-round thoughts in no particular order are, doctors/nurses/police /fire/ambos/armed forces (MI5/MI6 too) should be earning top money
our armed forces protect us/the country from a foreign threat and the emergency services look after us at home.
your thoughts folks?

[ChristoT]

Been saying that for years. Got to admit, it's a bizarre world we live in!

[Robbie8666]

I gotta say with Nurses been offered either a 1% payrise or an annual pay rise not both I thinks its disgusting the amount sportsmen in general get paid!
as ex Royal Navy I thought pay wasn't too bad eventually unless you break it down to a 24 hour hourly rate.
but as for Paramedics & Nurses, they get a pitance for what they actually have to do and all the training and then continual training to keep current their pay is bad!

[fazersharp]

It wasn't untill I read the whole post before I realised it wasn't about earrings

[maddog04]

should've gone to specsavers :b

[nick crisp]

I gotta say with Nurses been offered either a 1% payrise or an annual pay rise not both I thinks its disgusting the amount sportsmen in general get paid!
as ex Royal Navy I thought pay wasn't too bad eventually unless you break it down to a 24 hour hourly rate.
but as for Paramedics & Nurses, they get a pitance for what they actually have to do and all the training and then continual training to keep current their pay is bad!

And don't get me started on the annual pay rises of our politicians!  :grumble

I guess it's all relative though. People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it. It does give the youngsters something to aspire to, which imo is no bad thing. Personally, I'm more concerned about bankers and directors of large, dominating corporations taking huge rises and bonuses even when their performance is poor. Now that is disgraceful.

So for me, it's more a gripe that nurses, firemen etc don't get decent pay rises comparatively. The armed forces is a tricky one. TBF, I was on the best money I've ever been on when I was in the RAF. I've never got back to that level since. In peacetime, it works out quite well, despite it being for 24hrs a day, 365 days a year, cos you actually get pretty good time off and other perks. But with the guys going off to the big sand box, putting their lives on the line, whether you believe in the reasons for it or not; well that's a more complex issue, and you could say that it was unfair. But you know what they say; if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined up  :rolleyes

[lew600fazer]

Just toss this one in the mix, if it was not for big oil majors, the world would be a better place. Oil Majors tend to have a big say in Britains foreign policy, hence one of the main reasons we are constantly under threat. If we kept our nose out of it we would not need to be spending billions on silly wars. The money saved could then be put to better use paying a decent wage to health care workers etc!

[fazersharp]

Actually once the nurse has gone through all of the annual rises up to the max in their grade which I think is 4 then after that they get no rises at all. And they get no perks unlike the other services. Also the other services can drive to work and park at work for free - nurses have to pay to park at work.

[nick crisp]

Just toss this one in the mix, if it was not for big oil majors, the world would be a better place. Oil Majors tend to have a big say in Britains foreign policy, hence one of the main reasons we are constantly under threat. If we kept our nose out of it we would not need to be spending billions on silly wars. The money saved could then be put to better use paying a decent wage to health care workers etc!

[devil's advocate]If we didn't have the big oil majors, would you be typing that question on an internet forum, or would you have to write it to us all with pen and ink?[/devil's advocate]

[fazersharp]

People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

But what I dont like is when other sports men/women get public funding and then do well and go on the earn millions on the back of our tax.

[noggythenog]

I think it is fair


If we are willing watch these sports then we are already saying that it is fair.......the money they earn doesnt come outta thin air or outta public funds...it isnt like the Gov't is saying "right we cant give nurses a pay rise because that money is earmarked for Lewis Hamilton"......his wages come from all the lucrative advertising, branding and ticket sales etc etc......from the punters spending their low wages to watch it......if it isnt fair then nobody will get involved.....they make the money so why shouldnt they choose how much of it to give their employees......they could pay them less and save some in a bank.....but then they wont get the driver that the want......what they wont do is say oh lets give that extra we've made to the nurses.




Do i agree with important workers not being paid more or being offered shit pay rises......NO.....it is the pits.....but that is a different debate altogether...at the end of the day they have it sussed......pay them just enough that when they are all fresh faced and looking for a career the money seems attractive......& then once they've been in 5 years it soon changes and how dare they get paid such a pittance........but lets just say they lowered it too much and nurses were on 13k a year then they'd have no nurses......so they are just chipping away bit by bit trying to find how low they can go before the nurses leave........& then they'll spend millions on a big recruitment drive and the next time they'll say right we cant go quite that low again........but we can try :'(

[nick crisp]

People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

But what I dont like is when other sports men/women get public funding and then do well and go on the earn millions on the back of our tax.

But could you not say that they represent our country in a good way, and therefore it does filter back and benefit us all? And it's still a drop in the ocean compared to my aforementioned gripe. These corporate financial institutions take, take, take and put comparatively little back in, it seems to me.

so they are just chipping away bit by bit trying to find how low they can go before the nurses leave........& then they'll spend millions on a big recruitment drive and the next time they'll say right we cant go quite that low again........but we can try :'(

Or will they just replace them with foreign workers for whom it seems like a lot more....?

[noggythenog]

You're right Nick.......getting the foreigners in is what they are doing......nurse money to them is like pop star wages.......heart surgeon......salary 20k per annum......oh we've only had foreign nationals apply for this job but we did openly advertise it......we have been fair.


Meanwhile back in their home country theres an extreme lack of heart surgeons as they've all come to the UK......although i wouldnt be surprised then if some British funded charity or whatever then recruits them back to their home country.......so they end up with UK trained surgeons while we make do with the temporary ones that are still learning and foccing things up.


None of the above is any way backed up by any proof.......well it is a motorbike forum after all. :lol

[maddog04]

I think it is fair


If we are willing watch these sports then we are already saying that it is fair.......the money they earn doesnt come outta thin air or outta public funds...it isnt like the Gov't is saying "right we cant give nurses a pay rise because that money is earmarked for Lewis Hamilton"......his wages come from all the lucrative advertising, branding and ticket sales etc etc......from the punters spending their low wages to watch it......if it isnt fair then nobody will get involved.....they make the money so why shouldnt they choose how much of it to give their employees......they could pay them less and save some in a bank.....but then they wont get the driver that the want......what they wont do is say oh lets give that extra we've made to the nurses.


going off on a tangent here, but WE do pay for it by virtue of ticket prices/food etc. try taking 2kids to a footy game these days and you'd have no change out of a ton, try flying to Abu Dhabi to watch Lewis and you'd have to be on mega bucks. If the event organisers cap wages and admission prices then we'd still have the same players competing

as for crap wages, well people are striking for better pay/pensions etc and all you hear off some are that they're greedy/selfish or WHY coz the strikers impinge on their daily lives like not being able to put the kids into school etc

[BBROWN1664]

and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

Have you seen the ticket prices these days for F1, Premier League football etc?

[nick crisp]

and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

Have you seen the ticket prices these days for F1, Premier League football etc?

Actually, I think all this may well fall into the "I can't do anything about it, so there's no point getting worked up about it" category (otherwise known as politics), so I'm out  :lol

[noggythenog]

Yeh at the end of the day dont buy the tickets.....if enough people do that then they will have to drop the prices.


I would love Sky TV.....i can afford it.......but i think £60 a month is foccin ridiculous........so i dont have it.......but millions of folk do pay that much to have it and u til they all opt out like me then they wont drop the prices.

[mickvp]

Yeh at the end of the day dont buy the tickets.....if enough people do that then they will have to drop the prices.


I would love Sky TV.....i can afford it.......but i think £60 a month is foccin ridiculous........so i dont have it.......but millions of folk do pay that much to have it and u til they all opt out like me then they wont drop the prices.

This. In the case of sportsmen/women, if you don't like it, vote with your feet. If nobody paid the exuberant prices for footy/f1/whatever other sport you watch, they would be forced to lower prices to get the punters in. Most of these top sportsmen are making more from advertising than they do their sport anyway...Beckham was making millions more from his Vodafone sponsorship than he ever was at man u, but end of the day, Vodafone customers were paying for that advertisement somewhere down the line too.

The only ones subsidising nhs doctors and nurses is us through our tax contributions...it only goes so far. I think the wages they get are scandalous (and my missus is a nurse), but our millions are spread throughout thousands of doctors and nurses. They only way for them to get more money is to either take more from the tax payers (all of us), or take money from somewhere else - schools or police etc.

I think they money politicians get is ridiculous too. I have said this before, but IMO the way politicians are paid is unfair....voting for their own wages. Who would vote no for their own massive wage rise?

Since the politicians love to beat us with the "fairness and equality" stick...how about their foccin wages are tied to the average national wage. If they want themselves to get a wage rise... Then they get the national average up and we all benefit a little. And the easiest way to get the national average up is to change the poorest and lowest paid, meaning a more balanced nation. But what do I know... I'm just a half-wit from Scotland :lol

[maddog04]

a half wit eh?
you must be a clever jock then :lol
seriously tho Mick, you make a very valid point about MP's wages being tied to a National average.......
I'll vote for you!

[Doddsie]

I think the good people who work in the brewing industry should be on top dollar, without them life would just be shit!!!