I used two plain irons and one with 90 degree angle, three all together, on the front wheel fine although it took about 30 mins as it was stuck fast and was quite a job for one person of my diminutive stature. A bit of force needed.
I wouldn't attempt it on the rear as this would surely be a hell of a job getting the thing off and pulling it back over the rim to get one side over. The front was difficult enough but doable. Depends how much muscle and rim damage you want to exert
You need something to break the bead (proper tool or a spade) two levels and tyre soap. Not sure if a footpump could pop the new tyre on... Maybe with a lot of faffing but once my tyre is on it can take up to 30lbs to pop it in place and the beginning relies on a fast influx of air.
To balance I just put the spindle through supporting one end on something solid and hold the other in my hand. A few wiggles to overcome stiction and it works a charm
Okay, it sounds like breaking the bead is the most tricky part and so I've just been watching some more videos about how to do this.
It looks like it can be done via various DIY solutions involving levers etc, or I could get a proper bead breaker tool as doesn't seem too expensive, if a little bulky to store. But either way I guess I'll need something beyond just simple tyre levers if I'm going to break the old tyre's bead without damaging the rims.
How's about getting the new tyre on? Do-able with tyre irons and rim protectors without causing too much damage? From YouTube it seems so just want to check our Fazer tyres aren't super tough or anything.
Point taken on the compressor vs foot pump, kinda suspected that might be the case but thought I would see what people said. I'll either get a compressor or I guess I could use petrol station ones at a push?
I have never come across anyone using levers who had not made since cosmetic or worse, damage to rims; I certainly would invite anyone who claims they have avoided this to upload a video of them doing it... Just so losers like me can watch how to do it !!!
04-09-14, 02:57 PM (This post was last modified: 04-09-14, 02:57 PM by tony_d123.)
I have done it with long tyre levers, break bead with a large G-clamp and warming tyres up first on a radiator. But honestly it's not worth the blood, sweat and tears. My local tyre place will change and balance them for £10 and It's well worth the money
(04-09-14, 02:57 PM)tony_d123 link Wrote: I have done it with long tyre levers, break bead with a large G-clamp and warming tyres up first on a radiator. But honestly it's not worth the blood, sweat and tears. My local tyre place will change and balance them for £10 and It's well worth the money
Totally agree. My local bike shop charges £9.99 to fit and balance (your own tyres purchased not from him) or free if you purchase from him... And his tyre prices are same if not lower than I can source., so why bother fitting my own!
Well it's quite expensive for me because I don't drive a car. The bike is my primary mode of transport, and so I can't take the wheel in for fitting, I have to take the bike, and this makes it a lot more expensive, usually around 0.5 hours labour.
Last time around it was even worse because I was going away on tour but couldn't afford to get both tyres done at once. So I got the front which was needed to be legal and safe before the tour, and the rear the next month after my return. But as the result fitting charges were doubled and totalled 1 hour and £60/hour+VAT = £72, It's a lot for me!
Beyond the cost issue I treat these things as little projects. I enjoy learning how to do little bits on my bike myself, and am always on the lookout for little projects which are within my reach in terms of cost, scale and skill level. Tyres seemed a good option, especially given I get through 2 sets a year. But I'm still at the research stage, getting an idea for if it's sensible or not. So points taken on board as always.
Change your mechanic!! Ive NEVER heard let alone been to a shop that charges for fitting and balancing when you taken your bike in and have preordered the tyre from him so that he just has to remove old,fit new and balance. Is a15 minute job for the shop. It's 15 Min while u wait with your bike
Change your frekin mechanic.. He's taking the piss mate
I've always fitted my own tyres so don't know any different. Advantages: cheaper tyres, more convenient, better job, can do your own permanent puncture repairs.
You're right that breaking the bead on a tubeless is the hardest part. I use a 6" engineers vice but a proper breaker would be good to have.
You'll need at least three levers, two pairs of rim protectors, tyre soap, some method of balancing (I use the Ricambi Weiss) and some stick on weights. I also use a couple of lengths of 4"x2" to rest the wheel on while keeping the brake disc off the ground.
A compressor is nice to have but I've managed it with a foot pump numerous times.
Take out the valve core before you start and kneel on the bead to keep it in the well while working on the opposite side. Make sure that the rim protectors are in position before doing any levering. Take your time and if you break into a sweat you're doing it wrong.
Don't forget to check the new tyre for direction of rotation and put the paint spot next to the valve.
I cannot subscribe to the "cheaper if you DIY" argument. sorry. change your shop/mechanic if thats the case; they should be able to buy in bulk and receive upto 20% discount; they also have some leeway in negotiating a price; the latest tyre purchase I made was for a BT-021 120/70 Front - £68 - fitted+ balanced , "while U wait"; total of 15 mins. How can that be less convenient and cheaper than DIY - the best price I could find on the internet for this tyre was £63 - just for delivery of the tyre. Id then have to remove the old one, piss about with breaking the bead, knife an fork it off and get the new tight one over the rim. Then , how do I balance - sure I could have a wheel balancer but thats nowhere near as good as the shop system and I'd have to fk around with weights.
naaa, sorry, but if fitting your own tyre is more convenient and cheaper then all I say is you aint got a good shop / mechanic and they are taking the piss
06-09-14, 11:50 AM (This post was last modified: 06-09-14, 11:56 AM by red98.)
fitted a few tyres over the years but only on small bikes,upto 250cc.....so this morning i dug the two spare wheels out of the shed that need the tyres removing (worn out)...i made a bead breaker a few years ago,dont think you`ll do it without one.started on the front as thought a smaller tyre would be easier...using my bead breaker i worked my way around the rim,little bit at a time,think i went round 3/4 times untill the tyre fell away from the rim,turned the wheel over and did the same to the other side....out with the levers and rim protectors,i only have two protectors and this job defo needs 3/4,i made anothe temp one up using an old shampoo bottle .....slipped the two levers under the rim approx 4in apart and using just one of the levers ,eased tyre over the rim,held this lever in place with my knee and did the same with the other lever.once they are both "levered" one cam be removed and moved along the rim and used again,you should then be able to ease the rest of the tyre off with your hands.....once one side is done do the same with the other but working from the inside out...
then onto the rear...little bit harder this one so a used a bit of washing up liquid around the rim to help out,worked a treat......oh....and no damage to the rims
best bit of advise on this thread comes from FLAK........"break a sweat and your doing it wrong" :thumbup
(06-09-14, 10:15 AM)tweetytek link Wrote: I cannot subscribe to the "cheaper if you DIY" argument. sorry. change your shop/mechanic if thats the case; they should be able to buy in bulk and receive upto 20% discount; they also have some leeway in negotiating a price; the latest tyre purchase I made was for a BT-021 120/70 Front - £68 - fitted+ balanced , "while U wait"; total of 15 mins. How can that be less convenient and cheaper than DIY - the best price I could find on the internet for this tyre was £63 - just for delivery of the tyre. Id then have to remove the old one, piss about with breaking the bead, knife an fork it off and get the new tight one over the rim. Then , how do I balance - sure I could have a wheel balancer but thats nowhere near as good as the shop system and I'd have to fk around with weights.
naaa, sorry, but if fitting your own tyre is more convenient and cheaper then all I say is you aint got a good shop / mechanic and they are taking the piss
You keep mentioning prices, but i would imagine they all vary throughout the UK quite a bit.
I normally take my wheel off and get a lift up to get my own tyres changed that i've already bought.
When i had my MOT a few days ago i had my own new tyre taken in for me and was charged £55 all in.
I believe the MOT is currently £29.95, so i was charged £25 for a tyre swap.
I'm in North London though so i expect to pay a bit more.
I reckon once you have your own correct tools and you're confident you won't seriously foc it up then without a doubt you will save a few quid in the long run, but for me personally i don't have them changed often enough for me to be worried about a £10-£25 charge every couple of years or so to have a pro job done.
Ironic really, as my dad and both my older brothers used to all be tyre fitters! :lol
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(06-09-14, 11:50 AM)red98 link Wrote: fitted a few tyres over the years but only on small bikes,upto 250cc.....so this morning i dug the two spare wheels out of the shed that need the tyres removing (worn out)...i made a bead breaker a few years ago,dont think you`ll do it without one.started on the front as thought a smaller tyre would be easier...using my bead breaker i worked my way around the rim,little bit at a time,think i went round 3/4 times untill the tyre fell away from the rim,turned the wheel over and did the same to the other side....out with the levers and rim protectors,i only have two protectors and this job defo needs 3/4,i made anothe temp one up using an old shampoo bottle .....slipped the two levers under the rim approx 4in apart and using just one of the levers ,eased tyre over the rim,held this lever in place with my knee and did the same with the other lever.once they are both "levered" one cam be removed and moved along the rim and used again,you should then be able to ease the rest of the tyre off with your hands.....once one side is done do the same with the other but working from the inside out...
then onto the rear...little bit harder this one so a used a bit of washing up liquid around the rim to help out,worked a treat......oh....and no damage to the rims
The old "shampoo bottle rim protector" trick.........i like your style. :lol
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just had a thought,iam just about to take a load of garden waste to the dump,ive thrown the tyres on top and will take with me,i know iam only allowed to dispose of a certain amount of tyres per year via house hold waste...will let you know how i get on....tyre fitters do charge for disposal , this is all in with the fitting charge...
.....slipped the two levers under the rim approx 4in apart and using just one of the levers ,eased tyre over the rim,held this lever in place with my knee and did the same with the other lever.once they are both "levered" one cam be removed and moved along the rim and used again,you should then be able to ease the rest of the tyre off with your hands.....once one side is done do the same with the other but working from the inside out...
