fffing police

[ddtwelve]

my other half before xmas acciedently due to cars in front suddenly stopping went into the back of the middle car(two cars in front her at the rear) due to the fact at the time i couldnt get to her quick enough to take her to the hospital i told her to phone for an abulance as she couldnt ride her scooter with a damaged hand and of course the police came, right over a month later she gets a standard  letter informing her that the police was going to prosecute or she could go on the 'DRIVERS AWARENESS COURSE' stateing she must pass or go to court but its the wrong one and shes a L rider being over 24 she does her cbt every 2 years and dosent have a full liecense so whats gonna happen ?

[BBROWN1664]

take the course. its basically a classroom jobbie that you have to be thicker than a thick thing to fail. That way she will avoid the points.

also, being a road accident with an injury, the police need to be told anyway which is why they attended.

[stevierst]

+1 on take the course, either that or you can opt to go to court. If you go to court, you'll pretty much get a fine and possibly points as your missus went into the back of the other car. Its a shitty stick, so your best off taking the least shitty end.

[goldfazer]

'my other half before xmas acciedently due to cars in front suddenly stopping '

She might learn about stopping distance on the course if she's lucky

[chaz]

do the course, end of it, was she cautioned at the time, because it used to be law that you had to be charged within 21 days but I'm not sure if it's still the case.
If she does the course, you can do it where you like, I got done in north yorkshire but did the course in west yorkshire, as it was nearer and £18 less.
ps you dont have to "pass" just take part and complete the course

[Skippernick]

You pay for these courses?
are these the ones which allegedly run by the ACPO's private company so that it makes them even more money.
Take the points and fine. :rolleyes

[Tibbs]

You pay for these courses?
are these the ones which allegedly run by the ACPO's private company so that it makes them even more money.
Take the points and fine. :rolleyes

So you can take a course which (unless you're with Admiral) doesn't affect your insurance, or take points and a fine which will bump up your insurance for 5 years and you say take the points!?

Yes, sticking it to the man is totally worth that...

I did a speed awareness course, which I assume is similar to the one offered here. You can just sit at the back and say nothing. They're not pass/fail, you just have to show up.

[Skippernick]

[quote author=Skippernick link=topic=5962.msg1#msg1 date=1358893192]
You pay for these courses?
are these the ones which allegedly run by the ACPO's private company so that it makes them even more money.
Take the points and fine. :rolleyes

So you can take a course which (unless you're with Admiral) doesn't affect your insurance, or take points and a fine which will bump up your insurance for 5 years and you say take the points!?

Yes, sticking it to the man is totally worth that... :rolleyes :

I did a speed awareness course, which I assume is similar to the one offered here. You can just sit at the back and say nothing. They're not pass/fail, you just have to show up.
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Maybe that was the course i was thinking of, but i was under the impression 3 points won't affect your premiums.

[Dead Eye]

At this day and age, if you so much as tell them that you have an unusual pin-prick on your door they will slap on some additional premium  :rolleyes

[Tibbs]

Maybe that was the course i was thinking of, but i was under the impression 3 points won't affect your premiums.

I think it does depend on your age and prior history.

My insurance certainly went up when I got 3 points at the age of 24, and that was more than 10 years ago when insurance companies were a lot more forgiving than they are now.

Given that these awareness courses now exist, I'd expect the insurers to load premiums even more for points, as the 'lesser' offences that used to get you points now don't.

[stevierst]

The new system is a damned sight better than the old one now they offer courses for first time 'offenders'. But whatever you do, don't refuse the course, as you won't get offered another one. There's about 3 or 4 different courses, and they all get recorded through DVLA. If you refuse one, that's it, straight to the NIP, or even court hearings where the magistrate can offer more than 3 points for the offence, and heftier fines.

Take the course! 

[ddtwelve]

hopefully theyll send the right course through instead of the 'cage' driving course as it said you have to pass a theory as well as have a full driving liecense  :eek

[Robbie8666]

hopefully theyll send the right course through instead of the 'cage' driving course as it said you have to pass a theory as well as have a full driving liecense  :eek

I did a speed awareness course 21st August & there were both bikes & car drivers on it! I got done by avon & somerset police but did mine in Exeter, you have to attend for the full 4 hour course, if you leave even with 10 mins left for what ever reason then they report the fact & it then goes through the police / legal route! tea & biccies supplied free & is good but you can only do it every 3 years! it was £80 against £60 fine & 3 points.

not sure what license required as have full license !

[Gordo]

You can collect points on a provisional licence same as a full one, and they will remain on the full licence once it's upgraded subject to the same three year application / four year appearance rules.

If offered a training course, I would jump at the chance as it is not a 'conviction' and you don't get points and in most cases you won't suffer increased premiums from your insurer for the next five years.

There's no real excuse for running in to the back of the vehicle in front: you're either not paying attention or not leaving a suitable gap, and both of those can come with a hefty penalty in terms of fine and points (it's "driving without due care and attention").

Spending the extra £20 now will save a lot of money in the longer term.

[Sunny Intervals]

How many times have I read on here about idiot car drivers not paying attention and running up the arse of bikes,  :grumble
I said job well done to your missus for striking a blow back for bikers and 2 wheelers everywhere  :thumbup

[UG]

also, being a road accident with an injury, the police need to be told anyway which is why they attended.


Not true, I was involved in a Road Traffic Collision and they did not turn up even though I was injured. I phoned them and they just said as long as we had exchanged details that was enough.  I even had to get the wife to take me to hospital.  So it depends on what sort of switchboard operator you get.

[stevierst]

also, being a road accident with an injury, the police need to be told anyway which is why they attended.


Not true, I was involved in a Road Traffic Collision and they did not turn up even though I was injured. I phoned them and they just said as long as we had exchanged details that was enough.  I even had to get the wife to take me to hospital.  So it depends on what sort of switchboard operator you get.

According to the 'rules', ALL road traffic collisions have to be reported within 24 hours regardless of injury or not, one vehicle or more.
UG, I think you just drew the short straw when you phoned up and no cops arrived. I know where I am they have to turn up if it's an injury RTC, especially if there is a bike/ped involved.

[Gordo]

According to the 'rules', ALL road traffic collisions have to be reported within 24 hours regardless of injury or not, one vehicle or more.
UG, I think you just drew the short straw when you phoned up and no cops arrived. I know where I am they have to turn up if it's an injury RTC, especially if there is a bike/ped involved.

Non-injury accidents don't need to be reported unless they involve damage to roadside furniture etc. and, where appropriate, details were exchanged between the parties involved.

Any injury accident must be reported.

[BBROWN1664]

Ug, legally it needs to be reported. They do not need to attend though. If an ambulance is being called and they plod are not too busy they would turn out too as it is probably a significant shunt to require an ambulance.

Steve. Only accident involving injury need to be reported and that must be within 24 hours so not even immediate.

[stevierst]

Ug, legally it needs to be reported. They do not need to attend though. If an ambulance is being called and they plod are not too busy they would turn out too as it is probably a significant shunt to require an ambulance.

Steve. Only accident involving injury need to be reported and that must be within 24 hours so not even immediate.

Gordo, your spot on with what you say, Bbrown, you've not quite got it.
Section 170 RTA states that a reportable acident must  take place on a road, involve a mechanically propelled vehicle, and result in damage to property or injury to a person other than the driver. (That's off the top of my head btw.)

And it must be reported within 24 hours, or as soon as practicable.

It's all a bit 'tongue in cheek' with regards to the damage, as pretty much all collisions on the road result in some kind of damage to property no matter how minor, unless your car/bike is made of marsh mallow, or covered in bubble wrap. :lol  I've been to quite a few bumps, and all of them have resulted in damage of some kind, not all damage/injury have been noticeable at the time, hence why all accidents should be reported really.