Here's something that doesn't add up, now that more younger people are getting the Oxford A-Z vaccine and reports of side affects are starting to be reported. WE are told "what that means is your body is creating an immune response. Now, that is what you want." Great. so by that rational why then is there no side effects in the over 65s - no side effects = no immune response ?.
From my understanding of the review in the Lancet the Ox A-Z was only tested on 224 participants over over 70. And in total only 5 cases occurred in those participants older than 55 years of age. They state "Vaccine efficacy in older age groups could not be assessed but will be determined, if sufficient data are available, in a future analysis after more cases have accrued."
This from the BBC--
The issue for some European regulators is that they think not enough of the AZ trial participants aged over 65 caught the virus to make conclusions on the vaccine's effectiveness. This is because only two of the 660 people in that age group were infected.
It seems to me that boris is either taking a big gamble that the vax works as well on the old as the younger groups or is using the older groups as an extended trial to find out. Perhaps the gamble will pay off in stemming the amount of older ones dying from covid - something that has continually been blamed on boris and is I think a massive incentive for boris to push it out to the over 65s.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
I've had my invitation from the NHS to a arrange for my vaccination arrive today. Earlier than I anticipated. I also did something that I never believed I would ever do last week, and paid for some private medical treatment, to relieve a painful reoccurring condition that has been getting worse and could have led to permanent a disablement. I had inquired and flagged this up last Sept with the NHS, but didn't really expect anything to happen until the backlog clears, so I bit the bullet and stumped up the readies
(12-02-21, 05:49 PM)agricola link Wrote: I've had my invitation from the NHS to a arrange for my vaccination arrive today. Earlier than I anticipated. I also did something that I never believed I would ever do last week, and paid for some private medical treatment, to relieve a painful reoccurring condition that has been getting worse and could have led to permanent a disablement. I had inquired and flagged this up last Sept with the NHS, but didn't really expect anything to happen until the backlog clears, so I bit the bullet and stumped up the readies
Checked onto the NHS website last night, got in this morning at 9.25. So quick. Website was simple and worked fine, turned up at the site, very well organised and efficient, in and out in 15 minutes. 2nd shot in May. And a bonus, the private treatment appears to be working
(13-02-21, 01:51 PM)agricola link Wrote: [quote author=agricola link=topic=26604.msg323173#msg323173 date=1613148590]
I've had my invitation from the NHS to a arrange for my vaccination arrive today. Earlier than I anticipated. I also did something that I never believed I would ever do last week, and paid for some private medical treatment, to relieve a painful reoccurring condition that has been getting worse and could have led to permanent a disablement. I had inquired and flagged this up last Sept with the NHS, but didn't really expect anything to happen until the backlog clears, so I bit the bullet and stumped up the readies
Checked onto the NHS website last night, got in this morning at 9.25. So quick. Website was simple and worked fine, turned up at the site, very well organised and efficient, in and out in 15 minutes. 2nd shot in May. And a bonus, the private treatment appears to be working
[/quote]From all accounts the whole process is very slick and efficient.
I have a feeling that there are going to be issues with the second jab rollout. There is such a massive push from the gov to hit the target of 15M that all stops have been pulled out, to date less than 500,000 have had their second jab. I cannot see the second phase rollout to lower age groups continuing at the same pace as they rush to give the second dose before 12 weeks. Wouldn't surprise me if the 12 weeks gets pushed back "after new data shows its ok"
I don't think that any targets have even been announced for the next group vax.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
14-02-21, 10:31 AM (This post was last modified: 14-02-21, 12:05 PM by darrsi.)
Got a text at 4.35pm on Thursday from my doctors, had the Pfizer jab at 7.30pm the same day.
Bit of a dull pain in the arm on Saturday, a bit like if someone had just stuck a needle in you :lol [size=1em]Other than that, nothing else to report! [/size]
[size=1em]Had a choice of 3 venues, and a lot of time spots in each to choose from. I chose Barnet FC where they were doing it, and it was all extremely well organised...apart from one thing.[/size] [size=1em]AFTER the jab, they handed me a 4 page A4 size leaflet to read which was all about the vaccine. One of the first sentences, which was repeated later on as well, was "Read this leaflet BEFORE having the vaccine". [/size] [size=1em]There may have been something in there that could affect your decision to have it done, like an allergy for example, so i did think that was a bit wrong.[/size]
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
14-02-21, 12:50 PM (This post was last modified: 14-02-21, 01:45 PM by fazersharp.)
[size=1em]Here it is in PDF form on the gov website -- why don't they publish this in all the media media outlets so people can read it before they get jabbed.[/size][size=1em] For some reason someone somewhere has decided it would be best not to.
[/size][size=1.35em]Patient Information leaflet of Pfizer Biotech Link:[/size] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...oNTech.pdf
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(14-02-21, 12:50 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [size=1em]Here it is in PDF form on the gov website -- why don't they publish this in all the media media outlets so people can read it before they get jabbed.[/size][size=1em] For some reason someone somewhere has decided it would be best not to.
[/size][size=1.35em]Patient Information leaflet of Pfizer Biotech Link:[/size] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...oNTech.pdf
Don't know if it's a genuine oversight, or them just being a bit sloppy and forgot to give me it beforehand?
Everything else appeared to be really well organised.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Will be more interesting to see how the numbers continue after today. They have met their 15m target but I'm guessing it's going downhill from here onwards. The cuts will start soon, the waiting times extended, operating hours reduced etc etc
I just hope it's enough to get us out of this foccing lockdown ?
I just don't think we are ever going to be able to keep up with mutations - new vax- mutation - new vax and by then some sort of heard immunity will of been reached and only the vulnerable will bother getting RE- vaccinated every 6 months.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(15-02-21, 02:20 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: I just don't think we are ever going to be able to keep up with mutations - new vax- mutation - new vax and by then some sort of heard immunity will of been reached and only the vulnerable will bother getting RE- vaccinated every 6 months.
Exactly the same as flu or the common cold then!
No big deal.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Getting a little suspicious now - keep hearing "we don't yet know the effect the vaccines have on transmission" just heard zad the vaccine minister say it again. 2 months and 15M arms jabbed and they still cannot tell us if the vaccine prevents transmission of covid or not. Yes there were positive noises about it being made a couple of weeks ago but its all gone quiet since.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
16-02-21, 10:06 PM (This post was last modified: 18-02-21, 06:44 AM by darrsi.)
(15-02-21, 09:07 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323234#msg323234 date=1613406099]
Exactly the same as flu or the common cold then!
No big deal.
There is only a limited number of flu variants that they decide upon each year. Which one shall we release this year?
In other words, which vaccine have we got too may of and need to shift :pokefun
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It's very difficult to catch "full" flu. I've only had it twice in 50 years, and most certainly don't recommend it.
But remember, we never hid from it at all, like never!
No extra hand washing, no distancing and no mask wearing, it was always a hand up and a polite "Don't give me your cold please".
There are something like 200 viruses that give similar symptoms of the common cold, that's why we've never been able to pin that down to sort "it" out, because you never know which version you've got.
Read an interesting article yesterday that explained that the Spanish Flu never went away, it just went dormant. It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(16-02-21, 10:06 PM)darrsi link Wrote: It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.[/color]
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(18-02-21, 12:35 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323248#msg323248 date=1613509608]
It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.[/color]
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Great book.
It could be argued that medicine, including vaccines, does make the human race less resilient - generally speaking.
Most things done in a hurry need to be done again - patiently.
(19-02-21, 08:53 PM)Slaninar link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323258#msg323258 date=1613648159]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323248#msg323248 date=1613509608]
It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.[/color]
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Great book.
It could be argued that medicine, including vaccines, does make the human race less resilient - generally speaking.
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That's a pretty poor argument. We would be in a very bad place at the very least without medicine.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(19-02-21, 09:07 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=Slaninar link=topic=26604.msg323282#msg323282 date=1613764381]
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg323258#msg323258 date=1613648159]
[quote author=darrsi link=topic=26604.msg323248#msg323248 date=1613509608]
It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.[/color]
[/quote]
Great book.
It could be argued that medicine, including vaccines, does make the human race less resilient - generally speaking.
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That's a pretty poor argument. We would be in a very bad place at the very least without medicine.
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Depends on how you look at it.
Of course, I could be wrong - not a doctor, but my thinking is:
Say I can't have children, and use medicine with all those artificial... whatever it's called, to "make" 3, or 4 kids.
In that case, isn't the medicine actually helping distribute and prolong the life of genes with such a defect?
Same goes for many other defects.
I'm not arguing against the medicine, or science and tech. in general - just think that it's not 100% good, it has its cons and costs.
No other species on earth lives after it is no longer productive - but we do. And we all like to live as long as possible. Is that good, healthy and natural?
Most things done in a hurry need to be done again - patiently.
Anyone who has had kids will tell you that whilst they are crawling around they pick up everything they can find and put it in their mouth - slugs, mud - the cat - EVERYTHING. It seems to be a natural human instinct to acquire every kind of organism possible as soon as possible. Parents paranoid about sterilising all surfaces are doing more harm than good. (maybe not under a WW pandemic ) but in general before covid.
I think there is an argument that we can be "too clean" and have been for a while.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
