The Covid thread

[darrsi]

Just seen that Captain Tom Moore is in hospital with the virus now  :\

[Dudeofrude]

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Got an armfull of Pfizers finest this morning. Still can't speak Chinese though. Mind you, I have enough trouble with English. :lol

Well done I am sure you will be fine.
I have found the published results from the trials which shows that the younger are getting side effects but not the old. Why is this info not mentioned anywhere in the news.The row at the top is 18-55 age
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But who can prove that these ailments weren't about to happen anyway? Seeing as the jab takes weeks of the body going through a defence process to really have an effect.
People will have the jab who are already ill or are about to be ill, so blaming the vaccine could be totally false.
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You mean like they do with the reported "covid" deaths ??
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I've had 2 friends die of Covid since last Sunday, and there's another family member of one of those still on a ventilator too.
That's "of" it, not "with" it.


Saying that, i don't agree with the 28 day window thing, it makes no sense at all, but i guess resources are not exactly plentiful right now to delve further into real causes of death rather than just tarring them with the same brush.
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Sorry to hear that Darrsi ?

But yes the way the deaths are reported is just part of a scaremongering programme... im sure of it. I believe it was last week when we reported one of the highest daily deaths since it all began and my local papers headline said something along the lines of "Grim day as highest daily covid death counted in local hospitals" as we had 6 deaths recorded in 1 day.... well turns out when you actually read the full article that 4 of the deaths occurred in November, one in December and the other at the beginning of Jan. So the actual truth of it was that nobody had died of Covid in our area on that particular day but because of the way these idiots record things they managed to justify a misleading headline ?

[fazersharp]

Sadly it takes scare tactics to get people to do as they are told and to justify certain laws. But It doesn't help with trust. Alongside of needing to scare people they also bury or withold info - such as how the vaccine has more side effects the younger you are.


As much as I do not belive everything I am told I also listen very carefully to what I am NOT being told.

[mtread]

Sadly it takes scare tactics to get people to do as they are told and to justify certain laws.

Of course it does. I've had one neighbour, and a good friend's mother die so far. Both were in good health previously, and had not been vaccinated
Side effects or not, as I've said, you're more likely to die without being vaccinated, than vaccinated.
That's what matters most.

[fazersharp]

Sounds like some good noises are coming out about the effect of the AZ/oxford vax has on transmission.
Wonder what will happen to the pfizer one if it proves to be no good at reducing transmission, and considering its -70degrees storage needs.
 

[fazersharp]

This got my goat the other day I was listening to LBC and someone living in Hungry rang about the EUs vax roll out problems and he mentioned about Hungry getting the Russian sputnic vax. The two presenters then started sniggering --- "oh would you take the Russian vaccine" - laughing - "make sure its not got any novichok in it"- laughing.
If someone rang in talking about our vax n that way they would be shot down as anti vaxer right wing nazis. RT tv says sputnic is perfectly safe. 

[Grahamm]

Ah, good old Vaccine Nationalism.

Already there have been Brits refusing any other vaccine other than the "Oxford" one, because, "it's British, damnit and we don't trust that foreign muck...!"

[agricola]

Queen Ursula VDL appears be have made a laughing stock of herself. Critizing the UK for insufficient testing of the Oxford/Zeneca vac, then demanding that the EU isnt getting enough of it. If ever we should find ourselves with a surplus, I reckon we should help out the Commonwealth first

[fazersharp]

Queen Ursula VDL

:rollin reminds me of VPL

[mtread]

Queen Ursula VDL appears be have made a laughing stock of herself. Critizing the UK for insufficient testing of the Oxford/Zeneca vac, then demanding that the EU isnt getting enough of it. If ever we should find ourselves with a surplus, I reckon we should help out the Commonwealth first

Oxford University designed the vaccine. AstraZeneca who are responsible for manufacture and testing, is a Swedish/UK company. A large part of the testing was carried out in Brazil and South Africa. Much of the Commonwealth, such as Australia and New Zealand hasn't needed to start vaccination, as they properly closed their borders early, rather than leaving it until the last minute.

[fazersharp]

Queen Ursula VDL appears be have made a laughing stock of herself. Critizing the UK for insufficient testing of the Oxford/Zeneca vac, then demanding that the EU isnt getting enough of it. If ever we should find ourselves with a surplus, I reckon we should help out the Commonwealth first

Oxford University designed the vaccine. AstraZeneca who are responsible for manufacture and testing, is a Swedish/UK company. A large part of the testing was carried out in Brazil and South Africa. Much of the Commonwealth, such as Australia and New Zealand hasn't needed to start vaccination, as they properly closed their borders early, rather than leaving it until the last minute.

Which brings me to something that occurred to me with the likes of Australia and new zealand largely successfully kept covid out of the country but then what - this virus and its mutations is here for ever. Are they going to be locked in their country for ever whilst the rest of the world has achieved heard immunity. This virus is going to mutate and mutate possibly into something massively more deadly than now and those populations have had no exposure to the original form and therefore have no pre existing immunity - however small it may be         

[agricola]

I believe that those two nations are more self sufficient, but will still have to vaccinate their populations at some point. Large land mass and small population id guess would be easier to control and manage any outbreak

[mtread]

You're not allowed into New Zealand with mud on your shoes. I'd imagine their entry requirements for Covid-19 will be very tough.

[fazersharp]

You're not allowed into New Zealand with mud on your shoes.

Is that because the whole country has just had a new carpet  :lol

[mtread]

Reminds me of the joke about the police radioing in, having found a wife who had shot her husband for walking on her mopped floor. 'Have you arrested her?' says base. 'No, the floor's still wet'.

[fazersharp]

Reminds me of the joke about the police radioing in, having found a wife who had shot her husband for walking on her mopped floor. 'Have you arrested her?' says base. 'No, the floor's still wet'.

:rollin

[agricola]

Reminds me of the joke about the police radioing in, having found a wife who had shot her husband for walking on her mopped floor. 'Have you arrested her?' says base. 'No, the floor's still wet'.

:lol

[agricola]

The death toll now stands at well over 100,000, now exceeds the number of civilian deaths in world war two of 70,000. Opening up after the first lockdown has proved to be an absolute disaster that will tkae us years to recover from. On a more cheery note, I reckon Ill get my shot sometime in summer (assuming Im still here)

[fazersharp]

I see today in the news its starting to come out about the side effects that I have been telling you about for weeks. But they are playing them down- calling them "mild" and saying 1 in 10. That is not my mates experience or their workmates It was 60% of them having side effects and needing between 1 and 2 days off work then out of that 60% about half needed up to 7 days off work. Symptoms worse than any flu they have ever had.
Just like I said the old uns seem to be totally untouched by any side effects and  as more and more younger get the vax these stories will come out more and more.

Yes feeling like shit for a week and having a week off work is better than being dead.

[agricola]

I see today in the news its starting to come out about the side effects that I have been telling you about for weeks. But they are playing them down- calling them "mild" and saying 1 in 10. That is not my mates experience or their workmates It was 60% of them having side effects and needing between 1 and 2 days off work then out of that 60% about half needed up to 7 days off work. Symptoms worse than any flu they have ever had.
Just like I said the old uns seem to be totally untouched by any side effects and  as more and more younger get the vax these stories will come out more and more.

Yes feeling like shit for a week and having a week off work is better than being dead.

As sais in previous posts, the development time for vaccines is typically around 10 years or so. Faced with potential masisve death tolls and economic impacts, govermnets and biotech companies have drastically shortened the development time of the Covid vaccine. Its inevitable something has to give, starting with the govt absolving the companies of any future liabilities for side effects. The backlog of work for the NHS will keep it at full stretch for years to come. Makes you realise just how fragile our existence as a species is