Thanks for that I stand corrected 
I confused this statement that they contain "inactivated (killed) viruses, or with only a single protein from the flu virus." missed the bit about killed 
Although it's still an element from the virus, which was the point I was trying to make Where as the Covid isn't just the outer spike, or mRNA which copies the DNA or something along those lines. Which delivers genetic code - or directions - that instructs the body to create a copy of the Covid-19 virus protein, which prompts an immune response.
All very clever stuff and the first major vaccine of it's type I believe
Later
Moron - Mark Easton of the BBC last nights press conference. A member of the public asked "why when this wave is worse than the last why is the lockdown less strict". Then when it was Mark Easton's turn he asked the same Focing question :rolleyes What a waste of time - didn't he have a back up question ready incase of that happening.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(13-01-21, 06:14 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Moron - Mark Easton of the BBC last nights press conference. A member of the public asked "why when this wave is worse than the last why is the lockdown less strict". Then when it was Mark Easton's turn he asked the same Focing question :rolleyes What a waste of time - didn't he have a back up question ready incase of that happening. We have seen that all the way through the pandemic. The minister (or whoever) spends 10 minutes giving details of why x is happening and then a reporter that just wants their 5 mins of fame to justify their wages asks the question again.
The ones that wind me up are the ministers who when asked if the number has gone up or down since yesterday (or any other feccin question) spend 5 minutes blustering on about why the government has done a great job or the fact the numbers today are not comparable with the numbers during the Spanish flu or some other bollix ratehr than a straight forward one/two word answer to the question.
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
(14-01-21, 09:17 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: The ones that wind me up are the ministers who when asked if the number has gone up or down since yesterday (or any other feccin question) spend 5 minutes blustering on about why the government has done a great job or the fact the numbers today are not comparable with the numbers during the Spanish flu or some other bollix ratehr than a straight forward one/two word answer to the question.
:agree
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(14-01-21, 09:17 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg322609#msg322609 date=1610558095]
Moron - Mark Easton of the BBC last nights press conference. A member of the public asked "why when this wave is worse than the last why is the lockdown less strict". Then when it was Mark Easton's turn he asked the same Focing question :rolleyes What a waste of time - didn't he have a back up question ready incase of that happening. We have seen that all the way through the pandemic. The minister (or whoever) spends 10 minutes giving details of why x is happening and then a reporter that just wants their 5 mins of fame to justify their wages asks the question again.
The ones that wind me up are the ministers who when asked if the number has gone up or down since yesterday (or any other feccin question) spend 5 minutes blustering on about why the government has done a great job or the fact the numbers today are not comparable with the numbers during the Spanish flu or some other bollix ratehr than a straight forward one/two word answer to the question.
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Generally, its the same questions regurgitated day after day
Perhaps the nation was not as prepared as it could have been. Extract from the National Risk Register, not updated since 2017. I was searching for the parameters that trigger a State of Emergency
It is difficult to forecast the spread and impact of a new flu strain or disease until it starts
circulating. However, consequences may include:
• for pandemic flu:
o up to 50% of the UK population experiencing symptoms, potentially leading to
between 20,000 and 750,000 fatalities and high levels of absence from work.
• for emerging infectious diseases:
o several thousand people experiencing symptoms, potentially leading to up to 100
fatalities.
• disruption to essential services, particularly health and education; and
• economic disruption, including disruption to business and tourism.
Interesting. Someone close to me went for their vax today and was unable to have it because in the past they have had a reaction to something. This was the pzifer biontec one but they were made an appointment on the spot for tomorrow for the astrozenaca Oxford Uni one.
They were told that if you have ever had any reaction to anything known or unknown then they will not give you the pzifer one.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
I guess I will end up the Viagra based one then being allergic to mould penicillin
Another ex-Fazer rider that is a foccer again
(15-01-21, 03:04 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: I guess I will end up the Viagra based one then being allergic to mould penicillin You mean end up with the astrozenica Oxford one.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Every step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longer
(15-01-21, 06:27 PM)agricola link Wrote: Every step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longer Let me guess -- you are retired.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(15-01-21, 06:36 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=agricola link=topic=26604.msg322667#msg322667 date=1610731620]
Every step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longer Let me guess -- you are retired.
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Correct. After 49 years hard graft, fully paid up member of the One Foot In The Grave club
(15-01-21, 02:20 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Interesting. Someone close to me went for their vax today and was unable to have it because in the past they have had a reaction to something. This was the pzifer biontec one but they were made an appointment on the spot for tomorrow for the astrozenaca Oxford Uni one.
They were told that if you have ever had any reaction to anything known or unknown then they will not give you the pzifer one.
Bit more info?
Reaction to what, with what, in the past?
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(16-01-21, 02:16 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg322660#msg322660 date=1610716835]
Interesting. Someone close to me went for their vax today and was unable to have it because in the past they have had a reaction to something. This was the pzifer biontec one but they were made an appointment on the spot for tomorrow for the astrozenaca Oxford Uni one.
They were told that if you have ever had any reaction to anything known or unknown then they will not give you the pzifer one.
Bit more info?
Reaction to what, with what, in the past?
[/quote]Sorry for the delay in replying but I got banned from the forum
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
24-01-21, 08:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 24-01-21, 08:36 PM by fazersharp.)
The issue was a reaction to a commonly used drug in hospital and happened over 25 years ago and never since.They turned up for the oxford one and was asked the same questions and upon telling them a doctor was called who said the place giving the pfzier one maybe were just being a little over cautious but was advised to wait 15 mins after the jab. No one else was seen waiting
The persons workmates are also having the jab and 60% of them have been off work with illness after receiving the jab. It was thought these people perhaps were swinging the lead for some time off.
After receiving the jab the person in question was told you WILL need ibrufen and paracetamol but were totally fine - until 16 hours later - high fever, muscle and joint pain like never experienced before even with flu. So bad infact that they thought they actually had covid and went for a test - came back negative.
Consequently they have been off work for 7 days. The other work mates suffering have had symptoms including projectile vomit, rash, collapsing after returning to work.
They use a sickness form that already has covid listed as a sickness that will not go against their sickness record and now sickness after the jab has also been added to the list. Also the workplace has stepped in to stop too many having the jab at the same time because they are struggling with staffing because of sickness after receiving it.
These workmates are all under 60 years old.
I have some elderly relatives who have recently received the jab and were totally fine.
If you have had covid in the last 90 days they do not give it to you. They have been told this is because you are more likely to have a reaction to the jab.
They are thinking that perhaps the reason the 60% of workmates are suffering after effects is because they have actually had covid asymptomaticly in the past. And the person in question is convinced that they had covid back in February as they had a long illness with all the covid symptoms.
What gets me is where is all of this in the news, all you hear and are shown is happy smiling OAP's
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(15-01-21, 06:27 PM)agricola link Wrote: Every step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longer
Water cannons are outlawed on the streets of the UK. Hence why we don't have any anymore.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(24-01-21, 08:10 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: The issue was a reaction to a commonly used drug in hospital and happened over 25 years ago and never since.The turned up for the oxford one and was asked the same questions and upon telling them a doctor was called who said the place giving the pfzier one maybe were just being a little over cautious but was advised to wait 15 mins after the jab.
The persons workmates are having the jab and 60% of them have been off work with illness after receiving the jab. It was thought these people perhaps were swinging the lead for some time off.
After receiving the jab they were told you WILL need ibrufen and paracetamol but were totally fine - until 16 hours later - high fever, muscle and joint pain like never experienced before even with flu. So bad infact that they thought they actually had covid and went for a test - came back negative.
Consequently they have been off work for 7 days. The other work mates suffering have had symptoms including projectile vomit, rash, collapsing after returning to work.
They use a sickness form that already has covid listed as a sickness that will not go against their sickness record and now sickness after the jab has also been added to the list. Also the workplace has stepped in to stop too many having the jab at the same time because they are struggling with staffing.
These workmates are all under 60 years old.
I have some elderly relatives who have recently received the jab and were totally fine.
If you have had covid in the last 90 days they do not give it to you. They have been told this is because you are more likely to have a reaction to the jab.
They are thinking that perhaps the reason the 60% of workmates are suffering after effects is because they have actually had covid asymptomaticly in the past. And the person in question is convinced that they had covid back in February as they had a long illness with all the covid symptoms.
What gets me is where is all of this in the news, all you hear and are shown is happy smiling OAP's
I don't get that? If you've had the virus then you "should" have antibodies to create a resistance to any future attack. And although not a live virus the jab will simulate similar effects.
From what you're saying my guess would be that their immune system is overreacting, which can be just as harmful as not reacting at all.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
24-01-21, 08:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 24-01-21, 08:43 PM by fazersharp.)
(24-01-21, 08:33 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=26604.msg322876#msg322876 date=1611515442]
The issue was a reaction to a commonly used drug in hospital and happened over 25 years ago and never since.The turned up for the oxford one and was asked the same questions and upon telling them a doctor was called who said the place giving the pfzier one maybe were just being a little over cautious but was advised to wait 15 mins after the jab.
The persons workmates are having the jab and 60% of them have been off work with illness after receiving the jab. It was thought these people perhaps were swinging the lead for some time off.
After receiving the jab they were told you WILL need ibrufen and paracetamol but were totally fine - until 16 hours later - high fever, muscle and joint pain like never experienced before even with flu. So bad infact that they thought they actually had covid and went for a test - came back negative.
Consequently they have been off work for 7 days. The other work mates suffering have had symptoms including projectile vomit, rash, collapsing after returning to work.
They use a sickness form that already has covid listed as a sickness that will not go against their sickness record and now sickness after the jab has also been added to the list. Also the workplace has stepped in to stop too many having the jab at the same time because they are struggling with staffing.
These workmates are all under 60 years old.
I have some elderly relatives who have recently received the jab and were totally fine.
If you have had covid in the last 90 days they do not give it to you. They have been told this is because you are more likely to have a reaction to the jab.
They are thinking that perhaps the reason the 60% of workmates are suffering after effects is because they have actually had covid asymptomaticly in the past. And the person in question is convinced that they had covid back in February as they had a long illness with all the covid symptoms.
What gets me is where is all of this in the news, all you hear and are shown is happy smiling OAP's
I don't get that? If you've had the virus then you "should" have antibodies to create a resistance to any future attack. And although not a live virus the jab will simulate similar effects.
From what you're saying my guess would be that their immune system is overreacting, which can be just as harmful as not reacting at all.
[/quote]I think it has been shown that the antibodies wane after a time but what remains are the "T" cells which are important.
On that subject someone I know who has had covid were being monitored for the antibodies and after 2 or 3 months of having the antibodies the test for them was coming back negative until one of their kids got covid and the antibodies then reappeared.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Out of interest, what type of work do these under 60’s do.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
(24-01-21, 08:52 PM)robbo link Wrote: Out of interest, what type of work do these under 60’s do. Its a type of work that gets them the jab before their normal turn would be.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
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