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[Grahamm]

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[mtread]

I think he said he first wanted to test it out on his mum 

Yes said that only because he knew he wouldn't be first in the queue. But his 78 year old mum would be.
Somebody on the news suggested Bozo should be first 

[fazersharp]

I think he said he first wanted to test it out on his mum 

Yes said that only because he knew he wouldn't be first in the queue. But his 78 year old mum would be.
Somebody on the news suggested Bozo should be first 

Maybe they should sell tickets for it :lol
But I also heard it mentioned something about having a antibody test first, if so he may still have them and not be eligible.

[Oldgit]

Probably this vaccine will be similar to the so called flu vaccine, which only works 35% to 40% of the time, and that we are all being used as part of a great medical experiment. The best example of a vaccine that works is the polio vaccine which works 100% of the time and I for one am hoping against hope that the Covid 19 vaccine will be as effective as the polio one, but I shall not hold my breath on that.

[Grahamm]

Probably this vaccine will be similar to the so called flu vaccine, which only works 35% to 40% of the time,

Even if it does only work a third of the time, that would still have the positive benefit of reducing the R number and cause the number of cases to diminish, taking the pressure off the NHS.

[fazersharp]

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Probably this vaccine will be similar to the so called flu vaccine, which only works 35% to 40% of the time,

Even if it does only work a third of the time, that would still have the positive benefit of reducing the R number and cause the number of cases to diminish, taking the pressure off the NHS.
[/quote]It may help the NHS but I don't see how it is going to help society return to normal because the vulnerable people and the scared but not vulnerable will not trust still having a 66% chance of catching it. And if it turns out to only be 33% effective I don't see enough people taking it up. Especially if it needs a follow up jab a couple of weeks later and the first jab was a bad experience, long waits - a day off work ect. 

[mtread]

Probably this vaccine will be similar to the so called flu vaccine, which only works 35% to 40% of the time, and that we are all being used as part of a great medical experiment. T

(As I understand it) the problem with the flu virus, is it's prepared well in advance. So they are predicting how flu will mutate the following winter. I believe for the Covid-19 vaccine, they have copied its genetic code, so it should be much more precise. Unless the Danish minks bugger it up of course...

[mtread]

A day off work, or run a severe risk of dying. Tough decision....  :rolleyes

[Grahamm]

I don't see how it is going to help society return to normal because the vulnerable people and the scared but not vulnerable will not trust still having a 66% chance of catching it.

Because at some point there will be a news story that there were no new COVID-19 cases reported today.

It may take a little longer than if the vaccine was 90% effective, but it will happen.

[agricola]

I caught on the news yesterday that only 1 in 5 of the folk who should have isolated, did so. For sure, if I were govt, I would have done some things differetly, but the spread of the virus, in in the large part, due to the population and the lack of enforcement by those in authority.


Also, having worked in the pharma industry, I know how long it takes to go through the process of registering new drugs, or even to modify an existing one. Its the relatively short development time that causes me concern

[Oldgit]

Was in my local supermarket this morning and I was totally dismayed by the amount of people mainly women who were lifting items from the shelves , looking at them and replacing them, do they know that there's a friggin epidemic at the moment--stop doing this you friggin eejits, just stop it.

[fazersharp]

Also, having worked in the pharma industry, I know how long it takes to go through the process of registering new drugs, or even to modify an existing one. Its the relatively short development time that causes me concern

That's interesting. We are constantly told the reason new drugs cost so much is because the amount of time it takes to create a new one. So it looks to me either pharma drag their heels on purpose to increase drug price or this vaccine has not gone through the hoops it should.
As far as I can find out it has not been tested on the very vunerable that are first in line to get it.


Reading up on the vaccine I see that one or two of the executives in the company cashed in millions worth of shares on the day the vaccine apparent success was announced.

[fazersharp]

Was in my local supermarket this morning and I was totally dismayed by the amount of people mainly women who were lifting items from the shelves , looking at them and replacing them, do they know that there's a friggin epidemic at the moment--stop doing this you friggin eejits, just stop it.

What gets me is that there are sanitizing stations on the way in to supermarkets but nothing on the way out.

[Oldgit]

I see the Scottish Government are looking for volunteers to test out the new Covid 19 vaccine, Can I nominate the whole of the Scottish Government ministers and the First Minister and her hubby to be the first volunteers for this experiment, it only seems fair to me.

[Dudeofrude]

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Was in my local supermarket this morning and I was totally dismayed by the amount of people mainly women who were lifting items from the shelves , looking at them and replacing them, do they know that there's a friggin epidemic at the moment--stop doing this you friggin eejits, just stop it.

What gets me is that there are sanitizing stations on the way in to supermarkets but nothing on the way out.
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Thats because they have no reason to look after you at that point. By then you've already spent your money and they couldn't care less what you do ?

[Oldgit]

Agree totally.

[fazersharp]

I keep an alcohol hand gel in the car, then wipe the door handles as well 

[b1k3rdude]

What gets me is that there are sanitizing stations on the way in to supermarkets but nothing on the way out.I bought a 5ltr tube and use it fill up little pocket bottles. The last thing I do is sanitize my hands, before I put my gloves on etc.

And regarding these stupid people touching things yeah its annoying, you can try and mitigate it when you get home but wiping thing down with antiseptic wipes. Or use a spray bottle and kitchen towl (this is a bit messy though). Fruit/veg etc get a clean in the sink with clean water.

[fazersharp]

Its really annoying because before covid I always brought 2 ltr of alcohol IPA and used it in a spray bottle just for general cleaning around Sharp Halls kitchens then covid hit and the price went through the roof, luckily I had just brought a new supply which lasted me until the price came back down again in the summer.I get the 99.9% and dilute it 10% with water to eek it out a bit further.I also spray the shopping with it when I return to Sharp Hall.
Here's the thing - we are told that covid can stay on cardboard for upto 24 hours and hard surfaces for 72 hours, and yet we are told their is no issue with post or food, no one is talking about this. Sounds like a D notice to me. 

[fazersharp]

Yes I think that is going to be one of the biggest hurdles to a mass take up of any vaccination, people just do not trust this Government. [size=1.35em]I think we will see a mass advertising campaign using well known and loved celebrities. [/size]
 

Today's news - exactly as I said would happen. Infact almost word for word what I said --you can now see written in the Gardian


“NHS England are looking for famous faces, people who are known and loved. It could be celebrities who are very sensible and have done sensible stuff during the pandemic.” https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020...ne-take-up