The future is electric………….

[YamFazFan]

Yeah, but you've got a conventional engine charging the battery back up as hard as it can go haven't you. It's total loss on an all electric surely?.


To have a heater that keeps you all warm & toasty on a day like this must whip through the battery power doesn't it?

[YamFazFan]

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Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.

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:rollin :rollin

[fazersharp]

[quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=25807.msg306638#msg306638 date=1576150631]

Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.

Even my 7 year old Audi (and a Saab I had 20 year ago) had electric heating for cold days so you can demist the windscreen immediately and get nice warm air within 1 min of getting in the car
[/quote]Reminds me of an old friends -old scoda it was shit but had a fantastic heater, the best bit was the fag lighter when it was ready and popped out it used to fire it out on to the back seat  :rollin 

[bludclot]

Don't want to keep banging on but.... not emission free.

So yes electric cars are essentially emission free.

No they are not.


Electric motors emit heat and noise while in use, batteries emit heat - hence not emission free. It's not wise to discount heat emissions - global warming is upon us and millions of running engines or electric motors do not help. I don't know which runs cooler, I suspect an electric setup runs significantly cooler than an equivalent powered fossil fuel engine so perhaps there's a step in the right direction there.


That's just the power unit however. The rest of the vehicle emits brake dust particles, tyre rubber particles, light emissions (not to be discounted lightly either) while in use. There's also consumables to consider - bearings, fluids, shocks etc. that are replaced during the working life of a vehicle.


As stated above the electricity powering the vehicle does not materialise by magic, it comes at a cost. The same is true for vehicle manufacture and decommission, it is considered that these two parts of vehicle life contribute up to 90% (!) of total pollutants during the life of a vehicle. (This is difficult to measure apparently.) (The amount of virgin natural resources consumed to make one vehicle is depressing.)


To say that a vehicle is emissions free is just plain wrong. Electric vehicles are tail pipe emissions free, that's more accurate.

[VNA]

Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.

Yeah, well think why you can heat yer internal combustion driven car so easily.  It is because it is so dreadfully inefficient.  You need a whole cooling system to get shot of all the heat it generates.  That heat is energy – it’s waste.  Up to 70% of the energy generated in an internal combustion engine is heat – which ideally is not what we want an engine to do.


At the end of the day the internal combustion engine is incredibly inefficient.  It depends on the type of vehicle , engine, drive chain etc but a typical car is less than 20% efficient. 



As much as we all love the internal combustion engine – we all need to step back and realise in reality how appallingly crap it is.

[fazersharp]

This will be (near) silent to other motorists - even currently, with the aid of a noisy exhaust, motorcyclists are still mostly 'invisible' to other road users.
The NOISE of a motorcycle in the blindspot of a car is your only hope the driver isn't about to pull out into you!  :eek

So without any noise factor to alert the senses to our presence, what is being done to make these silent motorcycles more noticeable on the roads!?

What it needs is that via blue tooth when you approach a car a bike noise is played through the car speakers and via the use of the 4 or more speakers - the direction of the bike is also heard.
I have often thought this with emergency vehicles. How often have youbeen in a car and an hear ne but cant fire out what where its coming from - even the blue lights are s bright they get reflected off every window and street sign 

[mtread]

Read an article last week. Apparently the increased changeover from smaller cars to SUVs, with their extra weight, worse fuel consumption and additional pollution, has more than outweighed the move to nil pollution electric cars.


So we are heading in the wrong direction.


What's more, the punitive road tax applied to SUVs has little effect because it tends to be included in PCP payments, so the leaser doesn't even realise.

[Grahamm]

At the moment, there are always plenty of free charging points but if I have to queue for 40 minutes before I can get on the charger then we are looking at 1.5 hours more for my journey.

Now, why would I want an all electric car?

When petrol powered cars were new, people would often have to stop off at pharmacies to get gasoline (which was used medicinally!)

Also there was a quote from someone saying "Why should I get an automobile and risk running out of gasoline when I can get hay for my horse at any farm?"

[VNA]

No they are not.


Electric motors emit heat and noise while in use, batteries emit heat - hence not emission free. It's not wise to discount heat emissions - global warming is upon us and millions of running engines or electric motors do not help. I don't know which runs cooler, I suspect an electric setup runs significantly cooler than an equivalent powered fossil fuel engine so perhaps there's a step in the right direction there.


That's just the power unit however. The rest of the vehicle emits brake dust particles, tyre rubber particles, light emissions (not to be discounted lightly either) while in use. There's also consumables to consider - bearings, fluids, shocks etc. that are replaced during the working life of a vehicle.


As stated above the electricity powering the vehicle does not materialise by magic, it comes at a cost. The same is true for vehicle manufacture and decommission, it is considered that these two parts of vehicle life contribute up to 90% (!) of total pollutants during the life of a vehicle. (This is difficult to measure apparently.) (The amount of virgin natural resources consumed to make one vehicle is depressing.)


To say that a vehicle is emissions free is just plain wrong. Electric vehicles are tail pipe emissions free, that's more accurate.

The heat generated by the engine is only relevant in terms of efficiency – and crucially the fuel generating the heat.
Basically, it’s about de-carbonisation.  We have to stop emitting CO2.
Transport can be decarbonised by,
1.        Increased electricity generation.
2.      Making sure our electricity industry becomes renewable ie carbon neutral.
3.      Switching to electric cars.
By achieving that our transport system would de decarbonised.  Free of CO2 emissions – hence emission free. 

[Grahamm]

To say that a vehicle is emissions free is just plain wrong. Electric vehicles are tail pipe emissions free, that's more accurate.

Which is what everyone else (who isn't being pedantic) understands by the term...

[Grahamm]

Apparently the increased changeover from smaller cars to SUVs, with their extra weight, worse fuel consumption and additional pollution, has more than outweighed the move to nil pollution electric cars.

A lot of that has been due to lobbying by the US car industry who have done things like geting SUVs defined as "Light Trucks" to avoid extra taxes, regulations and emission standards being imposed on cars.

Of course that keeps prices down and their profits up and screw the planet...

[YamFazFan]

Also there was a quote from someone saying "Why should I get an automobile and risk running out of gasoline when I can get hay for my horse at any farm?"

Similarly, wasn't the ERF truck company started up from the result of a division within the Foden family in the 1920's/30's over whether the future of road haulage lay in steam or diesel powered vehicles.

[YamFazFan]

I have often thought this with emergency vehicles. How often have youbeen in a car and an hear ne but cant fire out what where its coming from - even the blue lights are s bright they get reflected off every window and street sign

The most irritating one is when the siren is in some rap song on the radio and you're looking around for a non existent emergency vehicle.


Ditto phone ringtones :wall

[Fazerider]

I’d be more enthusiastic about electric vehicles powered by fuel cells.
Can’t see hydrogen being much use as it’s not very energy dense and is a bugger to handle and transport, but ethanol would be ideal. And sure, you’ve got carbon in there so it’s going to emit CO2, but so long as that’s sourced renewably it doesn’t matter… the exhaust is clean, no nasty particulates or nitrogen oxides and you can refuel as fast as you do now.

[agricola]

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Anyone know what the heaters are like in fully electric cars?. You've not got any hot water have you?.

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My first old banger never had a heater. Or wind up windows. Or a radio. I kept it on the road for 6 years before it rusted away

[Dudeofrude]

Well all of this (along with the supposed speed limiter tech that's coming to new cars in the next few years) just makes it more important to buy a new car/bike in the next year or two.
These next few years might see the last of the 'old fashioned' restriction free fossil fuel "fun" vehicles in history so buy one while you still have chance and if they do end up being the last then their value will rocket among those of us that still want that freedom.
I know a lot of you will keep your Fazers but me personally will be upgrading to a more or less brand new bike within the next 2 years and that hopefully will see me through to a point where petrol wont be on sale anymore

[VNA]

I know a lot of you will keep your Fazers but me personally will be upgrading to a more or less brand new bike within the next 2 years and that hopefully will see me through to a point where petrol wont be on sale anymore

What's on the shopping list then Dude?

[Dudeofrude]

Bike wise? More than likely a Kawasaki Ninja1000sx (the new one) unless I can get a good deal on an old stock current model (z1000sx)

Its everything I need in a bike, fast and sporty when you want but comfy and practical when you dont. The 2020 one has the fancy full LCD dash and all the rider aids etc
The 2019 one is still more than good enough but if I'm going new(ish) then may aswell get the facelift version

Car wise itll be some kind of small SUV. Either the Kia Sportage or Hyundai Tuscon as the main family car. Then I'll be looking at leasing a small city car (i10, aygo, KA etc) so that I can start being a summertime biker ??

[VNA]

Could I persuade you to go and try something a little left field?


Go and try an R1250R or R1250RS :eek


Last year I test rode an MT10 and the new CB1000R.  I wasn’t really convinced by either.  So then I decided to try the R1250R.  I was only trying it because I was disappointed with the MT10 and CB1000R.  I didn’t expect to like it, but it blew me away.  Fantastic bike.  And it’s seriously and effortlessly quick.  The low-down grunt is just outrageous, and unlike the old air cooled boxers it’s got plenty up top too.


You might surprise yourself. 



Car?  I’ve had my Yeti 4x4 for almost 4 years now.  The primary reason was getting a car I could get my late mother in and back out of.  It wasn’t really what I wanted, but I’ve really grown to like it.  And I love 4wd, bring on the snow!

[Dudeofrude]

Could I persuade you to go and try something a little left field?


Go and try an R1250R or R1250RS :eek


Last year I test rode an MT10 and the new CB1000R.  I wasn’t really convinced by either.  So then I decided to try the R1250R.  I was only trying it because I was disappointed with the MT10 and CB1000R.  I didn’t expect to like it, but it blew me away.  Fantastic bike.  And it’s seriously and effortlessly quick.  The low-down grunt is just outrageous, and unlike the old air cooled boxers it’s got plenty up top too.


You might surprise yourself. 



Car?  I’ve had my Yeti 4x4 for almost 4 years now.  The primary reason was getting a car I could get my late mother in and back out of.  It wasn’t really what I wanted, but I’ve really grown to like it.  And I love 4wd, bring on the snow!

Haha yes I remember the thread and while they are nice looking bikes (especially the new one with matching headlights) they just aren't my cup of tea. Really not a fan of boxer or twin engines. I'm a sucker for a good old inline 4 plus I'm a big believer in Japanese build quality over euro bikes. I know it doesn't make much difference these days but I hear of a lot less problems with jap bikes than I do of beemers (cars included)

I've ridden loads of different bikes to try and figure what I wanted next and nothing has really impressed me. All I could work out is that I want my bike but with more practicality, I cant bring myself to buy the FZ1-S then do all the mods again so the Kwak is the next best (better) thing. I will more than likely mod the engine again to eek some more BP out of it but leave the rest standard to make insurance a lot simpler

I'm actually a fan of the yeti, ever since I got back on the bikes I've started liking practical cars more and more Haha
We need a slightly bigger vehicle now the kids are growing, I'd love an estate but it's a joint car with the missus so we have to compromise. We both like the Hyundai and Kia so unless anything new comes out I'd think itll be one of them