D Quote:o you honestly think that raising tobacco taxes extortionately has had no affect on reducing smoking?
The problem is it has literally become extortionate. Smoking is an addiction, and addiction that is extremely hard to overcome. The more chaotic your life, or the less money you have, the more likely you are to smoke.
The price is no longer a deterrent but simply extortion, and sadly taking money often from those who can least afford it.
I am not saying tobacco should ever be cheap – but ten quid a pack or more? It’s madness.
(28-07-19, 04:03 PM)VNA link Wrote: DQuote:o you honestly think that raising tobacco taxes extortionately has had no affect on reducing smoking?
The problem is it has literally become extortionate. Smoking is an addiction, and addiction that is extremely hard to overcome. The more chaotic your life, or the less money you have, the more likely you are to smoke.
The price is no longer a deterrent but simply extortion, and sadly taking money often from those who can least afford it.
I am not saying tobacco should ever be cheap – but ten quid a pack or more? It’s madness.
You hit the nail on the head there VNA... its extortion of the poor. The people that make these decisions are on 100s of thousands of pound a year, they don't care what their cigarettes cost but the people only earning £8 a hour who smoke a pack a day have a real dent in their wages for something they struggle to live without.
Sugar tax is another one... gonna charge me an extra 20p on a small bottle of coke because its 'bad' for me... but still sell me a 4 pack of Mars bars for £1??
These taxes are only good for one thing and that's lining the wrong peoples pockets
Quote:The people that make these decisions are on 100s of thousands of pound a year,
Well if you take our new PM, or most of his cabinet ministers, what they earn at work is peanuts – their income comes from investment. I don’t think people realise how rich many of these people are.
Also what luxuries can people afford on the minimum wage, or worse still a zero hours contract? Maybe 10 or 20 fags a day is in reality, as extortionate as they are, still an affordable luxury.
And of course, the millions on the minimum wage are often working for companies that don’t pay their corporation tax. On top of that, they claim tax credits etc in order to survive. So, I effectively get taxed to provide the tax credits in order to subsidise the mega companies that don’t pay tax or even pay their employees a living wage.
But hey I’m just a typical left champagne socialist liberal elite wanker. Oh and politics is banned on this site.
I think we need a dedicated politics thread BUT with some ground rules - remain polite - no name calling or swearing
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Quote:I think we need a dedicated politics thread BUT with some ground rules - remain polite - no name calling or swearing
Foc off :lol
Quote: The problem is it has literally become extortionate. Smoking is an addiction, and addiction that is extremely hard to overcome. The more chaotic your life, or the less money you have, the more likely you are to smoke.
I don't disagree, but unless you ban something how can you help people stop damaging themselves. Putting pictures of diseased lungs on packets, banning advertising etc doesn't seem to work.
In our society these activities are regarded as acceptable social pleasures - smoking, alcohol, gambling, but all can be an addiction. Five cigarettes a day, you'll probably not do much harm, but 60 every day? Same with the other 'pleasures'. The more you do it the more you pay. How can you get people to reduce, other than making it financially prohibitive?
BTW I've never been a smoker, so perhaps I don't get it 
You lot just cant leave it alone..find a political forum and talk shit on that..what gets my goat is bikers that aint really bikers..when we meet for a fry up and a ride no one I know talks about this shit..
(28-07-19, 08:14 PM)Flooky link Wrote: You lot just cant leave it alone..find a political forum and talk shit on that..what gets my goat is bikers that aint really bikers..when we meet for a fry up and a ride no one I know talks about this shit.. Go on get it off your chest -- that is what this thread is all about and what makes this forum so good is that its not talking about bike shit all the time.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(26-07-19, 04:58 PM)mtread link Wrote: Quote:People who moan when it cools down and rains for a day or 2.My garden/allotment is parched. I hope it's cold and pisses down all weekend
It's not raining in Tokyo, apparently 
Yes I'd heard that on my elaborate radio set earlier :lol
Quote: Yes I'd heard that on my elaborate radio set earlier
On May Day no doubt :lol
(28-07-19, 09:54 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Flooky link=topic=17546.msg301059#msg301059 date=1564341256]
You lot just cant leave it alone..find a political forum and talk shit on that..what gets my goat is bikers that aint really bikers..when we meet for a fry up and a ride no one I know talks about this shit.. Go on get it off your chest -- that is what this thread is all about and what makes this forum so good is that its not talking about bike shit all the time.
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Variety is the spice of life. :think :lol
never look down on anyone unless you're helping them up.
Normal service now resumed :lol
What gets my goat a car in front with cameras and wires in the front - cameras sticking out the back window recording everything I do and THEY are the ones who do not appear to be able to drive and also flicking fag butts out the window at the same time they have the audacity to be recording me
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
ditto mate. apparently the old bill can use theirfootage against you can't they? I mean how the fuck can that be legal?
also pricks whose washer/wipers are set too high so they go over the roof of the car and hit you if your coming up behind them slowly in traffic. See, this is where wearing my old mans pisspot and riding an old Harley pays you back in spades...you can pull alongside the fuckers, bang on their drivers door glass and then gob on it, and they just stare straight fixedly ahead as if your not there. its even funnier when they have their missus with them 
:lol wouldn't have the balls for that,knowing my luck they'd drag me off the bike,give me a pasting and leave me covered in gob with my pisspot covered head sticking out of the front wheel. :lol
never look down on anyone unless you're helping them up.
(29-07-19, 08:23 PM)ogri48 link Wrote: ditto mate. apparently the old bill can use theirfootage against you can't they? I mean how the fuck can that be legal?
If you record evidence of yourself breaking the law, you've only yourself to blame...!!
(28-07-19, 12:53 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: Anyway remind us Mr environment what fuel does that power station that you work in burn.
:eek It gets worse!.
Rides a C90 + a Gen1 Fazer 1000, drives a diesel car and works in a power station :eek
What do you run the BBQ on?. Shredded car tyres? :lol
Quote: [img alt=:eek]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/img] It gets worse!.
Rides a C90 + a Gen1 Fazer 1000, drives a diesel car and works in a power station [img alt=:eek]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/img]
What do you run the BBQ on?. Shredded car tyres? [img alt=:lol]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/img]
I’m am at a loss as to the point you are trying to make.
(27-07-19, 10:58 AM)VNA link Wrote: At the end of the day if you keep increasingly the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere, then you will get temperature rises.
Once again, all the predictions are coming true, but still there is little sign of any willingness to change. Cough ----- and don't forget Mrs VNA also has a car .
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Quote:Quote from: VNA on 27 July 2019, 10:58:34 AM<blockquote> At the end of the day if you keep increasingly the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere, then you will get temperature rises.
Once again, all the predictions are coming true, but still there is little sign of any willingness to change. </blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote> Quote:Cough ----- and don't forget Mrs VNA also has a car [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/img] .
Firstly Mrs VNA does not have a car.
Secondly, how am I to get to my carbon neutral place of work? It’s is relatively remote, there is no works bus and no public transport.
Thirdly, I need to get about, public transport is poor round here. There is currently no real practicable viable alternative my current modes of transport.
Fourthly, do you think that any personal changes that I make, or you for that matter, will have any impact on global temperatures?
There has to be collective change. It has to be global change.
Though at the end of the day, the new energy market is without any doubt is going to be about both efficiency and carbon neutral energy sources alongside solutions to absorb CO2.
The winners economically in this new world are going to be those who grasp the nettle and find the solutions.
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