BREXIT

[nick crisp]

[size=1em]Still not sure what the Brexit Party's policies are, apart from Brexit. :rolleyes  [/size]

Still not sure what the EU's policies are, apart from preventing Brexit.

[YamFazFan]

something Trump came out with yesterday at the press conference and then rowed back on later in an interview.

Are you possibly suggesting Trump talks out of his arse, and hasn't a clue what he's saying from one minute to the next?  :lol

No comment :rolleyes

[YamFazFan]

One was a claim lie made on the side of a bus during the 2016 EU referendum campaign and the other is something Trump came out with yesterday at the press conference and then rowed back on later in an interview.

Corrected it for you

The £350 million issue is a dispute between gross and net figures isn't it?. Approx £350 million is the 'bill', but it's reduced to around £250 million after rebates?.


However many lies did Project Fear tell during the referendum campaign?. We were led to believe everything bar the sky collapsing in was going to befall us if Leave won :lol

[fazersharp]

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One was a claim lie made on the side of a bus during the 2016 EU referendum campaign and the other is something Trump came out with yesterday at the press conference and then rowed back on later in an interview.

Corrected it for you

The £350 million issue is a dispute between gross and net figures isn't it?. Approx £350 million is the 'bill', but it's reduced to around £250 million after rebates?.
However many lies did Project Fear tell during the referendum campaign?. We were led to believe everything bar the sky collapsing in was going to befall us if Leave won :lol

[/quote]No No the sky collapsing was also included.
The bus - anyone can understand what was being said and only a person with Asperger syndrome would read it as being "lets give the NHS £350m a week". Yes we get a rebate and it was cheeky counting to include the rebate in the total figure but this was a dirty campaign - after all they were all politicians what do you expect. But the premise is correct we send £250m a week to the EU and THEY then divi it out to who THEY decide to, yes we get some back in the form of grants etc but we have NO CONTROL as to where it goes. All these idiots who say we get money from the EU ----- ITS OUR MONEY WE SENT THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, so as the bus said - "lets take back control "         

[mtread]

That's the trouble with simple populist messages that ignore the complicated facts put forward by experts - people believe them, and they influence referendums and elections. They only realise it's all lies when it's too late.

[VNA]

The £350 million issue is a dispute between gross and net figures isn't it?. Approx £350 million is the 'bill', but it's reduced to around £250 million after rebates?

No it’s much more than that.  Firstly it’s about fact.  The 350 million for our NHS was a lie.  Just to be clear, as some folks don’t seem to understand what a lie is;

a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

This is particularly important as the intention was to get people to vote based on this deception.  It is intentionally miss-leading people in relation to possibly the most important decision facing our country in decades.



It’s absolutely and utterly unacceptable.


Further there will not be 250 million a week for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU.  The fact is we will more than likely need to make significant real terms cuts to our health service if we have a hard BREXIT.


These figures also ignore the huge economic benefit we gain from being members of the EU.  The EU is after all the biggest single tariff free trading zone in the world, and it’s right on our door step.  Making it harder to do trade with our immediate neighbours, by putting barriers and tariffs between us and the EU will not save or generate money, it will in fact cost us billions upon billions in lost trade.


Meanwhile nobody is investing in UK manufacturing.  Major manufacturing in the UK depends on full single market access.  Until manufactures in and around the world can see that the UK has guaranteed single market access going forwards they will not invest in new or existing manufacturing. 

[VNA]

[VNA]

The darling economist of the BREXITEERS Professor Minford answering a question from Rory Stewart on the UK potentially leaving the EU way back in 2012.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status...3400243201

[Frosties]

Are you taking the piss about today ?????

[mtread]

I think it's taking the piss out of Trump, who seems to think wrong is just as right.

[Frosties]

I think it's fecking well out of order by VNA to post one of his apparently very fecking funny cartoons (NOT) on a commemorative day for thousands of soldiers. 


VNA - feel like apologising ???

[mtread]

It's time for a change - starting with Peterborough tomorrow.

Oh dear  :lol

[Slaninar]

During WW2, Yugoslavia had a very strong guerilla partisan movement that created a lot of problems to the nazis.
Being caught as a partisan, or helping them, meant the whole family (often even the entire village) got killed.


My friends mother was a small child during the WW2. She told me they had a German patrol in their village on one occasion. The German soldiers were nice to them and she had started talking to one (our province had many Germans and many people spoke some basic German). And told him her name is XXX, but her partisan nickname was YYY. Her family was helping the partisans. The soldier just smiled and walked on. It is to be expected he knew what they would face had he reported it and it took some personal courage to be hush about that. She doesn't tell many war time stories and none seem invented so I believed this one.


My grandfather fought with the partisans, got wounded, but survived the war. Another friend of the family had survived a nazi death camp. Both of them never hated Germans and said most of them just fought for their country. Noting a huge difference between Wermacht and the SS. I don't think an average German soldier was any worse, or better than most other soldiers.


In the recent history my country did some horrible war atrocities. Not everyone could escape the draft, even if they openly opposed the policy and the wars. Some got killed, wearing the uniform of the country who's regime they had openly opposed. You get drafted, sent to the front, and shot at - you can either shoot back and obey the orders, or get shot by one side, or the other.

[steve 10562cc]

Well VNA you have sunk to your lowest level yet with that cartoon you should be ashamed of yourself. Try posting that on face book for the vets and the families of those that didn't return to see they will not find it funny.

[YamFazFan]

It's time for a change - starting with Peterborough tomorrow.

Oh dear  :lol

Oh dear indeed if you're a 'Remain' supporter.


In the EU Parliament elections we were told that the Remain vote was represented almost entirely by The Lib Dems and The Green Party, however they only polled 12% & 3% respectively last night.


Labour got 31% of the vote (10,484) and The Brexit Party 29% (9,801). Almost exactly the same margin that Labour beat The Conservatives by last time.


I reckon The Brexit Party did very well for a new party, only losing victory by 683 votes.


The biggest loser on the night, other than the Tories :lol , was 'Remain'. Clearly the people want to Leave'.

[YamFazFan]

....oh and although the result was close I don't expect there'll be any attempts to reverse it by hook or by crook.


That's democracy

[YamFazFan]

Meanwhile on a brighter note.  There is always the possibility of the upcoming new Prime Minister being put on trial for abusing public office.  And hopefully other candidates will now be charged.  Imagine that a UK PM facing jail!

You're going to need a vivid imagination, the attempt has just been dismissed by The High Court. They said it was 'politically motivated and vexatious'.
Read it and weep :lol .....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853

[fazersharp]

The 350 million for our NHS was a lie.  Just to be clear, as some folks don’t seem to understand what a lie is;

The high court does.

This is particularly important as the intention was to get people to vote based on this deception.

The high court didn't think so

It’s absolutely and utterly unacceptable.

The high court accepts it.
Are you going to be refunded the money you donated to the crowd funded case.

[YamFazFan]

Marcus Ball, the campaigner who brought the crowd-funded private prosecution attempt, says that he's spent more than the £300,000 raised and that it's left him "massively in debt"... :lol ...sorry shouldn't laugh :lol ...
I expect there'll be another whip-round to help him out...on second thoughts I wouldn't bank on it :rollin :rollin :rollin

[mtread]

I reckon The Brexit Party did very well for a new party, only losing victory by 683 votes.

But they lost
TBH, if they can't win in Peterborough, they can't win anywhere. They're another UKIP that might get a few defections from the tories, and then just fade away. A party with no policies, no manifesto, and is just a personal fan club for Fartage  :lol