BREXIT

[fazersharp]

Well the regions are still declaring, but I'm predicting that there will be more Remain MEPs than Leave ones. 

Eh  :rolleyes -- is your name mtread Abbott

[VNA]

UKIP, the victors last time round are finished. 



The BREXIT party, formed last week by Nigel, are the victors this time round.


The BREXIT party has no manifesto and only one policy.  It’s leader wants the NHS to cease.  The BREXIT party is a one man band.


What is clear, from these results, is that if you were to re-run the 2016 referendum, ie have a second EU referendum, REMAIN would win.


And of course, the reality is that tonight’s vote changes little.  Parliament will not allow a NO DEAL BREXIT.  The UK must REMAIN in at least a Customs Union in order to respect the legal document known as The Good Friday Agreement.  That is it changes little, other than that we may be witnessing the death of the Conservative Party. 



As for the BREXIT Party, with only one policy, come a general election it will nose dive, just as UKIP did.



What you see tonight is the beginning of the end.

[mtread]

Eh  -- is your name mtread Abbott

Er no. I just understand how the d'Hondt system works. Do you?
There will be more Lib Dem + Green + SNP + Plaid Cymru + Labour MEPs than there are Brexit Party + UKIP ones.
I'm leaving the Tories out of the calculation as they are 50:50
The majority  UK representation in the EU Parliament will be pro Europe

[mtread]

The Brexit Party insisting it has a role in negotiating leaving the EU :lol
Fat chance, you have no representation in the UK Parliament.

[YamFazFan]

So a victorious night for Remain then.


Where is the celebration party taking place?. Hope the champagne lasts all night :lol

[mtread]

Just a couple of Light Ales in the Hand and Racquet 

[mtread]

Just seen the Northwest result come in, and it's great for one very good reason  So off to bed.

[fazersharp]

There will be more Lib Dem + Green + SNP + Plaid Cymru + Labour MEPs than there are Brexit Party + UKIP ones.
I'm leaving the Tories out of the calculation as they are 50:50
The majority  UK representation in the EU Parliament will be pro Europe

Here are the results so far for EU seats. Scotland are still to announce and so are NI

• Brexit party 28 seats
  
• lib dem 15
  
• labour 10
  
• green 7
  
• con 3
  
• plaid 1
  

So lets look at that. Well done lib dem's they have to be congratulated on an honest campaign - came right out and said they want to cancel brexit it got them 15 seats. 

labour trying to please both sides, no one knows what they want so you cant say people voted for them on a pro EU ticket 10 seats

Greens are pro EU but people are not voting for them because of that - they are voting for the green issue. 7 seats
As you said yourself we will ignor the Cons 3 seats.
Snp are predicted to have 3 seats delivered to them by pro indy voters.
So the only party that you can truly say is pro EU and want to cancel brexit are LibDem 15 seats compared to Brexit Party 28 seats ( who campaigned on a WTO Brexit )

[fazersharp]

• Brexit party 28 seats
  
• lib dem 15
  
• labour 10
  
• green 7
  
• con 3
  
• plaid 1
  

Lets even be fair and allow half of labour - after all they are trying to please both leave and remain =5. Lets even give half of the Cons 1 1/2. lets even give plaid 1.
So that gives 22 1/2 remain vs 28 Leave. Voices in the remain camp call for a "confirmatory vote" . Well we have just had one and told them yet again its LEAVE

[mtread]

Greens are pro EU but people are not voting for them because of that - they are voting for the green issue

Nonsense. There you go, putting your spin on the outcome. Just coincidence that Labour won most of its seats in strong Remain areas?
So, not only will Remain have more MEPs than Leave, but they got a bigger share of the vote.
Second Referendum? Bring it on. 

[Grahamm]

Now let's try looking at that another way...

Using *your* calculation method:
The Brexit Party got less than a third of the total votes, 32% and UKIP got 3%, plus half of Conservative and Labour giving 46.5%

The Lib Dems, Greens, half of Labour and half of the Conservatives plus SNP, Change and Plaid means that Remain parties got 53.5%
There's your democratic confirmation, the will of the people has switched from Leave to Remain.

[mtread]

As confirmed by the BBC 

[nick crisp]

What's more interesting to me is the increasing strength of anti-EU feeling across Europe generally. By the time Remain get a win, there'll be no more EU to remain in  :lol

[celticdog]

latest news- the brexit party have just released their new 'milkshake proof' uniform . . .

[mtread]

Greens are pro EU but people are not voting for them because of that - they are voting for the green issue

That's exactly what Ann Widdecombe said. Are you dancing partners?  :lol

[fazersharp]

Greens are pro EU but people are not voting for them because of that - they are voting for the green issue

That's exactly what Ann Widdecombe said. Are you dancing partners?  :lol

If you really wanted to remain you would vote Lib Dem otherwise you risk splitting the vote, so you wouldn't vote green for remain, you vote green for the green issue -who have gained momentum on the back of the recent protests.

[YamFazFan]

There's your democratic confirmation, the will of the people has switched from Leave to Remain.

As clearly displayed by this results map of England and Wales :lol ...

[agricola]

[quote author=Grahamm link=topic=24678.msg298297#msg298297 date=1558948960]
There's your democratic confirmation, the will of the people has switched from Leave to Remain.

As clearly displayed by this results map of England and Wales :lol ...
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Yes, the Re-Moaners can put whatever spin they like on the results, but the party winning thew biggest number of seats campaigned for Exit. Those parties campaigning for Remain won far fewer seats. Simples. You can overanaylise things as much as you like, but its another campaign in which you have finished second

[fazersharp]

So what would the results be if this was general election

[YamFazFan]

This is the first election I've ever seen where the party that came second with almost half the seats of the winning one has still claimed outright victory :rolleyes