Absolute correct. The referendum was not held for the benefit of the people. The people frankly didn’t particularly want a referendum on the EU.
The referendum was offered in order to unite a divided Tory party for long enough to prevent Labour winning an election.
David Cameron figured he couldn’t win a majority but either as a minority government or with a liberal coalition the referendum would be voted down in parliament. So, he felt free to offer it confident that he would not be able to deliver it to the people.
But he did win a small majority and having no real choice but to put it to parliament it was voted through with that small but workable Tory majority. Still he felt no real need to worry as with a solid remain campaign the people would not be daft enough to vote to leave. So, they didn’t even consider the consequences of a leave vote.
Once held and the result over the UK as a whole (not Scotland and Northern Ireland) was to leave, well you know the rest. With May’s disastrous snap election we were delivered into the hands of the ruthless aristocratical and monied wing of the Tory party whom quickly moved the goal posts and have held the country to ransom ever since.
Absolute correct. The referendum was not held for the benefit of the people. The people frankly didn’t particularly want a referendum on the EU.
The referendum was offered in order to unite a divided Tory party for long enough to prevent Labour winning an election.
David Cameron figured he couldn’t win a majority but either as a minority government or with a liberal coalition the referendum would be voted down in parliament. So, he felt free to offer it confident that he would not be able to deliver it to the people.
But he did win a small majority and having no real choice but to put it to parliament it was voted through with that small but workable Tory majority. Still he felt no real need to worry as with a solid remain campaign the people would not be daft enough to vote to leave. So, they didn’t even consider the consequences of a leave vote.
Once held and the result over the UK as a whole (not Scotland and Northern Ireland) was to leave, well you know the rest. With May’s disastrous snap election we were delivered into the hands of the ruthless aristocratical and monied wing of the Tory party whom quickly moved the goal posts and have held the country to ransom ever since.
Totally agree with both of you.
Those are my principles...if you don't like them I have others.
13-03-19, 12:07 AM (This post was last modified: 13-03-19, 12:09 AM by mtread.)
Quote: Here's my prediction.... The Government loses tonight's vote, but by a smaller margin than previously.Admittedly it'd be a job to beat the size of the last one .
Then tomorrow Parliament will vote to reject 'No Deal'.
Next they will vote for an extension to Article 50. The EU will grant this on condition that there's a second referendum. Parliament votes for this course of action.
Leave win the second referendum, but Parliament has the final say. The Remainers in Westminster repeatedly thwart the result and we're back to square one
I think you are right..... up until the second referendum, which Remain will win by a comfortable majority. Because of changes in the voting population and because more people will realise what a disaster Brexit is and the lies they were told. Then we will be back to square one, before this whole sorry mess started
Quote:which Remain will win by a comfortable majority.
I would hope so. Back in 2016 100,000’s of people who had never voted before in their lives came out and voted. There may be a backlash, that resounding vote may still be there – or will they really all come out a second time. I don’t know. But what I do know, is that there will be little or no apathy in the remain camp. Those who want to remain will be under no illusion – they must get to the polls – and the youth of this country will be motivated like never before – just as they were in Scotland in 2014. It’s their future – it’s our future. We need to put a stop to this madness.
But to be honest – right now – the only thing we can be absolutely certain about – is well nobody really knows what will happen next.
I was not picking any single party out for the blame of this complete shambles they have left us in, they are ALL as guilty as each other. There is NOT an MP sitting in parliament of any party worthy of TRUST or RESPECT from the people of this once great nation.
The blame for all this shambles is down to May. Whether a Leaver or Remainer it's clear her tactics have been wrong since the beginning.
She called a general election she didn't need to, lost her majority and handed disproportionate power to the DUP
She spent 2 years trying to appease the ERG and failed
She thought she could bully and blackmail the EU and failed
She was handed the opportunity by Labour of going for a softer Brexit, which would have got a Parliamentary majority and refused to take it.
So she decided to run the clock down. Nobody else blinked.
It was always more important to her to keep the Tory party in one piece than do what's best for the country.
She is a stubborn woman. It's her way or no way. She doesn't do 'compromise'
She's failed miserably and polarised the country. The rest of the world is laughing at us.
I think MP's lost sight of the fact that they are the representative of their constituents. Out of 650 MP's, 480 voted to Remain, outnumbering Leavers by 3:1. They've ignored the country's vote and followed their own agendas. Roughly 70% of Conservative and 60% of Labour seats, voted to leave, so let us leave with no deal, we'll be fine in the long run.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
13-03-19, 12:30 PM (This post was last modified: 13-03-19, 12:32 PM by mtread.)
But also no option for what type of Leave. That was the problem with the question. Remain was clear - the status quo. Leave was 'Leave and then what kind of relationship do you want with the EU - None at all/Trading deal/Residency deal/Banking deal etc etc. Those questions weren't asked, and people are just assuming the only option was' None' and that's what 52% voted for. That's why we are currently in the **** we're in.
(13-03-19, 12:42 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: So we have another referendum with the 2 options...'Leave with May's deal' or 'Leave with no deal'. Sorted
Yes we have had the "do you want to remain" vote and we told them no so now the vote should be how we LEAVE. It sickens me to hear those politicians who want to reverse the referendum but will not directly say so when asked.
I think it is a remain unicorn and disrespect to the younger generation to think they all want to remain, although they have been brainwashed by the liberal left dominated education system.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
Apparently the chances of Parliament agreeing to a second referendum at all are virtually non existent so I very much doubt you'll get the opportunity to vote Remain again, no matter how much you want it
As for claiming compensation, isn't it The Remoaners that have always complained that the referendum result was invalid for one reason or another?. I was happy enough with it :lol . As far as I'm concerned we're still leaving
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