(27-02-19, 09:20 AM)tommyardin link Wrote: Went up to Cambridge for a few days to see my son, the wife and me were waiting in town and got chatting to a young English guy around 35 years of age selling copies of the Big Issue.
What a cracking bloke he was telling us one joke after another, he asked if we had heard of the Brexit Christmas Dinner, no Brussels, no Turkey and no place at the table. :rollin
Yep hilarious. I hope you bought a copy after all that free entertainment?
(27-02-19, 10:03 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Employment is at a record high
The government is quoting a figure for "employment" which includes anyone who does ONE HOUR or more of paid work in a fortnight. It also includes 844,000 people who are on zero hours contracts or doing gig economy jobs with no job security.
And the only reason wages are "rising at the fastest rate for 10 years" is that, for the previous 10 years, the government deliberately restricted wage growth.
So, please, look at the facts, not the spin.
:rolleyes
''The only way you can ever accuse a Conservative of hypocrisy is if they walk past a homeless person without kicking them in the face.''
Jeremy Hardy RIP
Yes he certainly had a knack for tasteless quotes. I read some of those the other week. Particularly unpleasant stuff.
(27-02-19, 11:57 AM)Grahamm link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=24678.msg293489#msg293489 date=1551258181]
Employment is at a record high
The government is quoting a figure for "employment" which includes anyone who does ONE HOUR or more of paid work in a fortnight. It also includes 844,000 people who are on zero hours contracts or doing gig economy jobs with no job security.
And the only reason wages are "rising at the fastest rate for 10 years" is that, for the previous 10 years, the government deliberately restricted wage growth.
So, please, look at the facts, not the spin.
:rolleyes
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Oh OK it's at a record low then and Brexit HASN'T even happened yet :lol
(27-02-19, 10:04 AM)YamFazFan link Wrote: [quote author=tommyardin link=topic=24678.msg293488#msg293488 date=1551255610]
Went up to Cambridge for a few days to see my son, the wife and me were waiting in town and got chatting to a young English guy around 35 years of age selling copies of the Big Issue.
What a cracking bloke he was telling us one joke after another, he asked if we had heard of the Brexit Christmas Dinner, no Brussels, no Turkey and no place at the table. :rollin
Yep hilarious. I hope you bought a copy after all that free entertainment?
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yep I did and i gave him a fiver, he told me they pay £1 each for them and sell them for the marked price of £2-50.
He said sometimes he only sells 10 or 11 a day, not a lot of money for possibly standing out in the pissing rain all day is it? :'(
Quote: Yes he certainly had a knack for tasteless quotes. I read some of those the other week. Particularly unpleasant stuff.
No, he was the best comedian on the radio 
On more serious stuff, PPS has to resign after tabling an amendment to May's EU/UK citizens' rights proposals, and is backed by Home Secretary, who doesn't realise May has ruled it out.
What a shambles this government is. No wonder we are in this mess :'(
...and Labour have suspended Chris Williamson MP from the party over his vile anti-Semitism.
Quote:''The only way you can ever accuse a Conservative of hypocrisy is if they walk past a homeless person without kicking them in the face.''
Jeremy Hardy RIP
Foccing brilliant! :lol
27-02-19, 10:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-02-19, 11:32 PM by VNA.)
Quote:...and Labour have suspended Chris Williamson MP from the party over his vile anti-Semitism.
Bonkers. And vile? Can you produce this vile 'anti-semitism' YamFazFan? Do you have evidence?
27-02-19, 11:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 27-02-19, 11:55 PM by john roche.)
It amazed me that so many on the right are critical of antisemitism in Labour when there is so many, including members of this forum spouting such ignorant and vile islamophobia.
The devil made me do it!
Indeed, where is the outrage at those promoting SCYL?
(27-02-19, 11:53 PM)john roche link Wrote: It amazed me that so many on the right are critical of antisemitism in Labour when there is so many, including members of this forum spouting such ignorant and vile islamophobia.
Free speech is what they call it, and i believe if it's allowed then views needs to be heard from different sides to be fair to all parties.
Whether you agree or disagree to other peoples views is your choice entirely.
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
(27-02-19, 10:43 PM)VNA link Wrote: Quote:...and Labour have suspended Chris Williamson MP from the party over his vile anti-Semitism.
Bonkers. And vile? Can you produce this vile 'anti-semitism' YamFazFan? Do you have evidence?
I'd suggest that you ask the Labour Party for the evidence. They suspended him.
Racism is unacceptable WHICHEVER source it comes from. Just because it's coming from the left in this instance doesn't justify it.
Today's BBC - ' Net migration to the UK from countries outside the European Union has hit its highest level for 15 years, says the Office for National Statistics'
'Leave EU' campaign changes its name to 'Leave World'
(28-02-19, 08:10 AM)darrsi link Wrote: Free speech is what they call it, and i believe if it's allowed then views needs to be heard from different sides to be fair to all parties.
Whether you agree or disagree to other peoples views is your choice entirely. I don't agree with that :lol
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
(27-02-19, 11:53 PM)john roche link Wrote: It amazed me that so many on the right are critical of antisemitism in Labour when there is so many, including members of this forum spouting such ignorant and vile islamophobia. Yes, let's just label it Islamaphobia and hope no one dares talk about the nationwide rape and grooming of our children...
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] It’s official: people who talk about the problem of Pakistani men abusing white working-class girls have no place in polite society. Raise so much as a peep of concern about Muslim grooming gangs and you’ll be expelled from the realm of the decent. You’ll be shushed, exiled, encouraged to clean out your polluted mind.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] That has been the experience of Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]quit as shadow equalities minister[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] this week over her Sun article on the gang of largely Muslim men in Newcastle who last week were found guilty of 100 offences, including rape against women and girls. Published last Thursday, [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Champion’s article[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] said:[/color] [color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size]‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] But you’re not allowed to say that, even in the wake of convictions of Pakistani and other Muslim men for scores of sexual crimes. So she had to go.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The response to her article from Labourites was swift and unforgiving. Corbynistas branded her [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]racist[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]. Tweeters called on Corbyn to sack her (purge the misspeakers!). Labour MP [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Naz Shah[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] branded her article ‘irresponsible’ and ‘dangerous’. Then Corbyn [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]welcomed[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] her stepping down on the basis that Labour will never ‘demonise any particular group’.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Champion said that she was [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]distancing[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] herself from her article. She claimed the Sun over-edited it, but really this looks like a politician denouncing herself in public, not unlike those Soviet dissenters who would slam their old beliefs once they had been successfully corrected.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The hounding of Champion is in keeping with the stricture against open discussion of Muslim grooming gangs, the institutionalisation of moral evasion on this issue. From local [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]officials in Rotherham[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] who failed to act on the exploitation of girls by men of Muslim origin for nearly 20 years to certain media outlets’ caginess about using the M-word in relation to these crimes ([/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]they prefer ‘Asian’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]), there’s a palpable reluctance to confront the particular problem of some Muslim men’s disdain for white working-class girls.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The cowardly reluctance to talk frankly about these gangs is not only an affront to open debate, sheepishly discouraging difficult questions about multiculturalism, cultural separatism, and why it is that some Muslim men — note the word ‘some’ — seem to have a low view of working-class white girls. It is also demeaning both to working-class women and Muslims. It tells young, poor women in certain parts of the country that we don’t take their victimisation seriously. And it sends the message that Muslims are incapable of self-reflection and must be protected from robust discussion about some of the [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]attitudes that exist[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] within their communities.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The shutting down of debate about Muslim groomers is a particularly foul snub to the less well-off women of Rotherham, [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Oxford[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)], Newcastle. They are reduced to a moral inconvenience, to pesky individuals whose suffering punctures the happy stories we tell ourselves about multiculturalism and raises questions we’d rather not ask about clashing communities in 21st-century Britain.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Contrast the treatment of middle-class women who have experienced sexism with the treatment of these poorer women who have been abused and raped. When a female Labour MP is called names on Twitter or a feminist student radical overhears a sexist joke, whole new campaigns are built. War is declared on ‘lad culture’. Yvette Cooper will call on women to ‘Reclaim the Internet’. But when girls of few means and little influence are raped by Muslim men, we’d rather not know. It gets reported on, of course, but it’s soon forgotten. It’s just too complicated.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Those who suppress open discussion of Muslim grooming gangs think they’re being socially virtuous, helping to maintain peace between communities. But in truth they have made a repulsive if implicit moral decision: that protecting Islam from criticism is more important than defending the dignity of white working-class girls. They sacrifice their feminism at the altar of multiculturalism. Their concern for women and the poor evaporates in the face of Islam. No price, it seems, is too high when it comes to ringfencing Islam and aspects of Muslim culture from public questioning — even the price of letting down working-class women, or at least making them feel like second-class victims.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Then there’s the diminishing of Muslims themselves. The true prejudice lies not in those who want to have an open debate about Muslim grooming gangs, but in those who want to protect Muslims from this debate for fear that they will feel devalued or offended by it. There’s an ugly neo-colonialist bent to this idea that any criticism of Islam or its adherents is ‘Islamophobia’ and must be extinguished to preserve the sensitivities of this fragile community. It infantilises Muslims. I trust that Muslims can cope with questions about their faith and their community and will want to do something about grooming gangs; what a shame so many in the political set do not.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] It isn’t people like Champion who are [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]‘irresponsible’ and ‘dangerous’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] — it is the reluctance to confront communal problems. Wishing such problems away simply allows them to fester, unresolved, undiscussed, liable to creep up on us again.[/color]
(28-02-19, 05:55 PM)dazza link Wrote: [quote author=john roche link=topic=24678.msg293545#msg293545 date=1551308035]
It amazed me that so many on the right are critical of antisemitism in Labour when there is so many, including members of this forum spouting such ignorant and vile islamophobia. Yes, let's just label it Islamaphobia and hope no one dares talk about the nationwide rape and grooming of our children...
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] It’s official: people who talk about the problem of Pakistani men abusing white working-class girls have no place in polite society. Raise so much as a peep of concern about Muslim grooming gangs and you’ll be expelled from the realm of the decent. You’ll be shushed, exiled, encouraged to clean out your polluted mind.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] That has been the experience of Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]quit as shadow equalities minister[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] this week over her Sun article on the gang of largely Muslim men in Newcastle who last week were found guilty of 100 offences, including rape against women and girls. Published last Thursday, [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Champion’s article[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] said:[/color] [color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size]‘Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] But you’re not allowed to say that, even in the wake of convictions of Pakistani and other Muslim men for scores of sexual crimes. So she had to go.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The response to her article from Labourites was swift and unforgiving. Corbynistas branded her [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]racist[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]. Tweeters called on Corbyn to sack her (purge the misspeakers!). Labour MP [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Naz Shah[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] branded her article ‘irresponsible’ and ‘dangerous’. Then Corbyn [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]welcomed[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] her stepping down on the basis that Labour will never ‘demonise any particular group’.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Champion said that she was [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]distancing[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] herself from her article. She claimed the Sun over-edited it, but really this looks like a politician denouncing herself in public, not unlike those Soviet dissenters who would slam their old beliefs once they had been successfully corrected.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The hounding of Champion is in keeping with the stricture against open discussion of Muslim grooming gangs, the institutionalisation of moral evasion on this issue. From local [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]officials in Rotherham[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] who failed to act on the exploitation of girls by men of Muslim origin for nearly 20 years to certain media outlets’ caginess about using the M-word in relation to these crimes ([/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]they prefer ‘Asian’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)]), there’s a palpable reluctance to confront the particular problem of some Muslim men’s disdain for white working-class girls.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The cowardly reluctance to talk frankly about these gangs is not only an affront to open debate, sheepishly discouraging difficult questions about multiculturalism, cultural separatism, and why it is that some Muslim men — note the word ‘some’ — seem to have a low view of working-class white girls. It is also demeaning both to working-class women and Muslims. It tells young, poor women in certain parts of the country that we don’t take their victimisation seriously. And it sends the message that Muslims are incapable of self-reflection and must be protected from robust discussion about some of the [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]attitudes that exist[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] within their communities.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] The shutting down of debate about Muslim groomers is a particularly foul snub to the less well-off women of Rotherham, [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]Oxford[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)], Newcastle. They are reduced to a moral inconvenience, to pesky individuals whose suffering punctures the happy stories we tell ourselves about multiculturalism and raises questions we’d rather not ask about clashing communities in 21st-century Britain.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Contrast the treatment of middle-class women who have experienced sexism with the treatment of these poorer women who have been abused and raped. When a female Labour MP is called names on Twitter or a feminist student radical overhears a sexist joke, whole new campaigns are built. War is declared on ‘lad culture’. Yvette Cooper will call on women to ‘Reclaim the Internet’. But when girls of few means and little influence are raped by Muslim men, we’d rather not know. It gets reported on, of course, but it’s soon forgotten. It’s just too complicated.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Those who suppress open discussion of Muslim grooming gangs think they’re being socially virtuous, helping to maintain peace between communities. But in truth they have made a repulsive if implicit moral decision: that protecting Islam from criticism is more important than defending the dignity of white working-class girls. They sacrifice their feminism at the altar of multiculturalism. Their concern for women and the poor evaporates in the face of Islam. No price, it seems, is too high when it comes to ringfencing Islam and aspects of Muslim culture from public questioning — even the price of letting down working-class women, or at least making them feel like second-class victims.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] Then there’s the diminishing of Muslims themselves. The true prejudice lies not in those who want to have an open debate about Muslim grooming gangs, but in those who want to protect Muslims from this debate for fear that they will feel devalued or offended by it. There’s an ugly neo-colonialist bent to this idea that any criticism of Islam or its adherents is ‘Islamophobia’ and must be extinguished to preserve the sensitivities of this fragile community. It infantilises Muslims. I trust that Muslims can cope with questions about their faith and their community and will want to do something about grooming gangs; what a shame so many in the political set do not.[/color]
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][/size] It isn’t people like Champion who are [/color][color=rgb(235, 14, 32)]‘irresponsible’ and ‘dangerous’[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] — it is the reluctance to confront communal problems. Wishing such problems away simply allows them to fester, unresolved, undiscussed, liable to creep up on us again.[/color]
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Totally agree Dazza :thumbup
More people are born because of alcohol than will ever die from it.
Islamophobia - the irrational fear of your country being taken over by homophobic, mysoginist, child raping religious zealots who think that sentencing someone to death for" blasphemy "is ok.
Maybe ask Asia Bibi ( Aasiya Noreen )if she is feeling a little bit islamophobic .
Or Islamophobia - the insult left wing liberal whingers use when they can't use the word "racist".
Or Islamophobia - the term first coined by extremist muslims to describe muslim women who resisted wearing wearing full face covering after the revolution in Iran.
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