ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:

[Mustang]

Just message your PayPal details Dazza we will pay when you want.

[b1k3rdude]

Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 Fazers

This would be welcome, as I could potenially get my US model lumped into that list.

[An9dy]

Lets hope dazza is successful with TFL.


I tried the TFL vehicle checker webpage
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-l...ecker-ulez


I put my FZS1000 Reg No into the checker, and it came up with......  "[color=rgb(45, 48, 57)]You are subject to the ULEZ.  "[/color]. 

[old son]

This is what Google tells us regarding NOx levels - Diesel cars must meet Euro 6 regulations to be exempt from the ULEZ charge. This had been set around the nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions levels of the engines, at 0.08g/km. The ULEZ standard is: Euro 3 for motorcycles.23 Oct 2017

Dazza's bike is 0.09g/KM, my 05 is 0.077g/KM. so long as TFL are not looking at any other obnoxious gas outputs it looks like we should be free. Just need to jump through some hops now!!

[Ripsnortingvtwin]

got my email today

we can confirm your machine is euro 1 with a NOx output of 0.09 (g/km)

so mines good and as above

[mtread]

The TFL site says they must meet Euro 3 and suggests that will mean registered after July 2007.

But looking at the detail of Euro 3 https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard...emissions/
That means :
Over 150cc 0.15 g/km
Less than 150cc 0.80 g/km

So that's the target.
Seems a bit daft that little bikes have a higher limit :rolleyes

[old son]

I've written to TFL asking them if my 0.09 g/km bike complies. I've also asked if it doesn't then why not? I'll update when I hear.

[old son]

I've just been reading the emission regulations, see below:
[color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][font=&amp][/font][/color][align=left][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)][font=&amp][/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]Two-Wheelers[/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]CO (g/km)[/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]HC (g/km)[/color][color=rgb(85, 85, 85)]NOx (g/km)[/color][color=rgb(51, 51, 51)] [/l]  Euro 2 2004.04.01 < 150 cc 5.50 1.20 0.30  ≥ 150 cc 5.50 1.00 0.30  Euro 3 2006.01.01 < 150 cc 2.00 0.80 0.15  ≥ 150 cc 2.00 0.30 0.15[/font][/color]Whilst we meet the NOx I think we are going to fail the CO and HC. Those are the two outputs that have changed dramatically between Euro 1, 2 & 3. Lets see what TFL say.

[old son]

Sorry, format gone bad.


Euro 2 -  CO - 5.50          HC - 1.0          NOx - 0.3


Euro 3 -  CO - 2.0            HC - 0.3          NOx - 0.15


Look at the reduction in CO and HC between Euro 2 and Euro 3


The certificate of conformity will show my 2004 Fazer is Euro 1 & my 2005 Fazer is Euro 2 albeit both having a lower NOx value than required to comply.

[mtread]

As far as I'm aware TFL are only measuring the NOx.
CO2 affects the climate (allegedly) but isn't a pollutant. We exhale CO2 and plants breathe it 

[old son]

Lets hope you are correct. The Hydro Carbons are also higher on  a Euro 2 than a Euro 3 by about 3 times!!

[Ripsnortingvtwin]

spoke to mag today , they said they are seeing tlf very soon and hopr to hav esome more info on there web site soon . they also said you can send in yourself but this will most likey only give you emption and not the bike range . so i surpose we have to go it alone or wiat un till they have there next meeting

[old son]

It is £60 for a Certificate of Conformity. I would give it a go if TFL were basing their calculations on NOx alone but as they have specifically said Euro 3 they must be taking into account the other pollutants. My 04 Fazer 1000 is Euro 1 and my 05 Fazer is Euro 2. Both meet NOx but both fail HC and CO when compared to a Euro 3.

[Fazerjon]

Hi people, this is a copy of the reply I got from TFL.

Thank you for your enquiry received on 01 February 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
If you believe that any information provided by our checker is incorrect, on receipt of evidence of the vehicles Euro
standard, we would investigate further and where necessary amend our records to reflect the correct status of your
vehicle.
In order to investigate compliance status of your vehicle we advise you to provide us with vehicle registration
document (V5C) that contains the Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value and Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel), we can
confirm the compliance status of your vehicle. Please check that the NOx and if applicable the PM value is recorded on
the V5c, usually these are detailed in sections V.3 and V.5 respectively.
If these values are not recorded on the V5c you will need to provide a copy of the vehicle's Conformity Certificate which
you can obtain from the vehicle manufacturer. Alternatively you may wish to contact the vehicle manufacturer's
homologation department. They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the
homologation department which contains the following information (a letter from customer services or a dealer will not
be accepted):
- Vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- Vehicle identification number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel)
You can complete an online enquiry form and upload your proof at tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone.
If you have any questions, please visit tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or call us on 0343 222 2222
(textphone 0207 649 9123 if you have impaired hearing).
Yours sincerely
D. Milton

[dazza]

TFL has ignored my email so far so I sent them another mentioning that I will be at 55 Broadway St James Park tonight for a London Underground IT forum and will be paying them a visit in person as they share the same building 


Then this afternoon, lo and behold, they replied.
No mention of exempting the whole model. It looks as though they are going to want a COC for each bike but I will ask them again once I have the certificate.


This is the email....


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Ref: 12958204
7 February 2019
Dear Mr Gorman
Thank you for your email of 31 January regarding your vehicle and the ULEZ.
I'm sorry to hear about the concerns you have with the introduction of the ULEZ and I appreciate the time you've taken to contact us.

The ULEZ
We do understand the difficulties some families may face because of having a vehicle that doesn’t meet the ULEZ standards.
However, the ULEZ does not require the purchase of an expensive new vehicle. Euro 4 compliant petrol cars have been available from around 2000, meaning there are affordable second-hand vehicles available. Furthermore, as part of the Mayor’s Healthy Streets approach, we are encouraging people to walk, cycle or take public transport as much as possible instead of relying on their private car.
Cities around the country are implementing Clean Air Zones and it makes sense for the government to adopt a national approach to minimising impacts on families and businesses as we deliver vitally needed improvements to our air quality. This is a national issue that requires a national solution and we are urging Londoners to write to their local MP to raise this issue with Government.
For more information on the ULEZ ahead of its launch please visit our website using the link below:
tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone
You mention that your motorcycle's NOx emission levels meets the standard to be exempt from the ULEZ. If you could send us a copy of your V5C or your certificate of conformity confirming the NOx emission levels of your vehicle, we can look to ensure that this motorcycle is included in the exemption list, thus giving you an option to travel into the city without having to pay the charge.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
Kind regards

Kristian Lewis
Customer Service Adviser
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[old son]

It is a positive response. No mention of meeting CO or HC levels. If they are only looking at NOx levels then it might just work.


I can get my photograph's etc. together at the weekend and apply for my C of C, its £60 a time though!!

[mtread]

Can't we just send them a letter with our reg no saying 'my bike's the same as Dazza's'? 

[old son]

Can't we just send them a letter with our reg no saying 'my bike's the same as Dazza's'? 

That would be too easy!!!

[Mustang]

Alternatively you may wish to contact the vehicle manufacturer'shomologation department

This would be better as homologation would, I would hope, in law cover the whole manufactured fleet of bikes.

[Ripsnortingvtwin]

dazza

any news on the fazer getting a pass ?????