(14-01-19, 10:13 PM)VNA link Wrote: People were not screaming out for a referendum on the EU. You are right to suggest it was given to us, as indeed it was.
However, one would expect to ask for a referendum, as opposed to be given something that was never requested. People did ask for it in the 2015 general election by giving 4 million votes (12.6 per cent of those cast)to UKIP Its so boring to keep repeating the "it was all about the Tories" line. It wasn't, people have been - as you say yourself "moaning over their beer" for years and 7 out of 10 labour held areas also voted to leave the eu
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
The more of this of Brexit or no Brexit waffle and bull sh*t ilisten to from our MPs of all parties the more I think there was never any intention by most of them to allow us to leave the EU it's been one almighty stitch from even before the referendum I can't think of one MP I would/could trust now from any party. I am totally disgusted that 2 years down the line we are still up to the neck in crap and all the MPs can do is play party politics and score points off each other they should all be totally ashamed of the way they have behaved.
Quote: people did ask for it in the 2015 general election by giving 4 million votes (12.6 per cent of those cast)to UKIP
But that's missing the point. 87.4% obviously thought there were more important things to worry about. The fact is that the (Tory) government tabled the motion for a referendum. They did this to resolve the split in their own party once and for all. As we can see today, it has widened the split instead.
Just watching the news live from the green outside Parliament. The democracy haters (Remain) are constantly striking a bell and banging a drum :z . What on earth difference does that achieve apart from irritataing the hell out of every normal (Leave) person?
(15-01-19, 05:31 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: The democracy haters (Remain) ...just to clarify, if they'd won the referendum then it'd be perfectly democratic :lol
(15-01-19, 05:31 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Just watching the news live from the green outside Parliament. The democracy haters (Remain) are constantly striking a bell and banging a drum :z . What on earth difference does that achieve apart from irritataing the hell out of every normal (Leave) person? Oops apparently it's Leave creating the racket :o . Still wants stopping. Incredibly irritating. They say the din has been going on all day long.
I was wondering who it was and for why ?I get the flags, I get the chanting but the bell is just irritating, I am actually surprised their fellow leavers don't yank it out of their hands and crack them over the head with it.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
It reminds me of that England Supporters Band that used to play The Great Escape theme tune over & over & over & over & over again at the international football matches :'(
My worst nightmare would be getting stuck next to that racket for 90 minutes.
It gets my goat when anyone over-dominates situations like this.
Quote:all the MPs can do is play party politics
That's one thing they most certainly are not doing :lol
looking at the people at college green how come there has not been any fisty-cufts between the ins and outs. A bit different to when the far right and the far left share the same square mile
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
It's absolutely truely sunk 
There's no denying that. The stitch up is in motion. The first step towards disregarding democracy and reversing the democratic decision.
I thought that would please you 
Well there we have it. Just about the biggest loss in history.
Watching the post vote interviews, both hard Brexit and soft Brexit sides claiming victory.
I'm surprised May hasn't delayed Article 50 yet. She's gambling again. I'm still betting on a Norway style Leave, full Customs Union and most Single Market. Tory Remainers + Labour with their Red Lines getting a majority ....... in which case, we should Remain
15-01-19, 09:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-01-19, 09:39 PM by fazersharp.)
The amount that it was voted down by is a good thing because the EU will see that and realise that they HAVE to renegotiate - otherwise the default, written in law will be a leave on WTO which they fear more than anything.
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.
15-01-19, 09:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 15-01-19, 09:42 PM by YamFazFan.)
An important point regarding a second referendum, which is where I'm certain we are heading.
It puts Leave at a disadvantage because having already had their vote disregarded once, apathy will have set in and a 'Why bother when they just ignore us and stitch us up?' attitude prevails. Even if Leave won a second vote, who's to say that one wouldn't be ignored?.
Remain will have been given basically 'A free second spin' and will grasp it with gusto.
Just like my honourable oriental friend on his honeymoon, now is the time for an election.
Treat everything in life the way a dog would- if you can't eat it or foc it, forget it.
(15-01-19, 09:38 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: The amount that it was voted down by is a good thing because the EU will see that and realise that they HAVE to renegotiate - otherwise the default, written in law will be a leave on WTO which they fear more than anything.
I don't think they'll concede anything much. I reckon they will be happy to see it go to a second referendum and take their chances with that.
I wish it was No Deal, but apparently they won't even entertain that. Parliament has basically wasted the voting publics time for 2 years. Why bother involving us in the first place if our vote is going to be totally disregarded >:
Quote:An important point regarding a second referendum, which is where I'm certain we are heading.
It puts Leave at a disadvantage because having already had their vote disregarded once, apathy will have set in and a 'Why bother when they just ignore us and stitch us up?' attitude prevails. Even if Leave won a second vote, who's to say that one wouldn't be ignored?.
Remain will have been given basically 'A free second spin' and will grasp it with gusto.
No idea if there will be a second referendum or not. It's certainly more likely now than May's deal. :lol
But as I have said again and again, if, and if, I say again if, there is second referendum it must be legally binding.
Quote:I reckon they will be happy to see it go to a second referendum and take their chances with that.
They (the EU) are not taking a chance with anything. If we were to leave with NO DEAL (which will not happen) the EU will take a small hit, but we will get fucked.
They are 27 countries that will continue to trade as a single market without us. We were just one out of 28.
This is our problem, not theirs. Not much they can do if the UK appears to be aff it’s heid on crack. :eek :lol
But NO DEAL is officially dead tonight.
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