BREXIT

[VNA]

Waiting for the 700,000 Leave supporters to protest in Trafalgar Square....

Don't hold your breath :lol


Meanwhile, how does my prediction look;

1.      May fails to get her deal past parliament
2.      JC calls for a vote of no confidence.
3.      JC looses vote when DUP votes with Tory party.
4.      Parliament in absolute deadlock and turmoil.  Government has failed.
5.      MP’s act across party lines and vote through a second referendum.
6.      Eventually the question is Cancel article 50 or NO DEAL
7.      The nightmare campaign begins.
8.      The people aren’t quite crazy enough to throw themselves off a cliff, so article 50 is cancelled.  It goes through with a substantial majority – people want an end this this shit.

It's looking good.  We can already see that to some degree 5 is already happening.
Which in turn should mean that May won't be able put the frighteners on MP's at 1.And they have already acted to ensure that 2 will quickly follow.
Everything looks OK at the mo.

[VNA]

[mtread]

And the scum's next target will be Bercow after the Mail/Sun/Express write their usual venom laced headlines 

[YamFazFan]

I can't bear all this talk of 'scum' and 'nazis' etc...


It's just smear after smear. The vast majority of Leave voters are nothing like that and don't want anything to do with that sort of thing.

[VNA]

And the scum's next target will be Bercow after the Mail/Sun/Express write their usual venom laced headlines  [img alt=]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/sad.gif[/img]

You mean like this,

[mtread]

The vast majority of Leave voters are nothing like that and don't want anything to do with that sort of thing.

Absolutely  :thumbup Unfortunately the Mail etc winds up the ones that are like that, and gives them 'justification'.

[agricola]

Waiting for the 700,000 Leave supporters to protest in Trafalgar Square....

Don't hold your breath :lol


Meanwhile, how does my prediction look;

1.      May fails to get her deal past parliament
2.      JC calls for a vote of no confidence.
3.      JC looses vote when DUP votes with Tory party.
4.      Parliament in absolute deadlock and turmoil.  Government has failed.
5.      MP’s act across party lines and vote through a second referendum.
6.      Eventually the question is Cancel article 50 or NO DEAL
7.      The nightmare campaign begins.
8.      The people aren’t quite crazy enough to throw themselves off a cliff, so article 50 is cancelled.  It goes through with a substantial majority – people want an end this this shit.

It's looking good.  We can already see that to some degree 5 is already happening.
Which in turn should mean that May won't be able put the frighteners on MP's at 1.And they have already acted to ensure that 2 will quickly follow.
Everything looks OK at the mo.

Allow me to re-write nos 6 and 8 for you


6. Eventually the question is "Confirm or Cancel Article 50"
8. The people confirm their original decision to leave the EU - people want an end to this shit

[VNA]

6. Eventually the question is "Confirm or Cancel Article 50"
8. The people confirm their original decision to leave the EU - people want an end to this shit

Well no.  The reason it is cancel Article 50 or NO Deal is;


Parliament has failed to come up with a deal.  There is no deal that is better than the deal we currently have.  Secondly parliament will not implement a NO DEAL BREXIT.


Therefore, to move things forward it has to go back to the people.  The people have to understand that a deal is not possible.  And that further MP’s will not vote to throw the UK economy off a cliff.


So it would be for the people to decide.  Stop the madness, or take kamikaze action. 



But your idea of ‘confirm’ is meaningless and would simply take us back to step 1.  So no that will not happen.

[mtread]

8. The people confirm their original decision to leave the EU

As VNA said. This is where we are now. How do you propose this takes us forward? One of the following must occur.
9a May's deal - Parliament is (probably) going to vote against it
9b No Deal - Parliament (including most of the government) definitely will vote against it. They will postpone /withdraw Article 50 to stop it happening
9c Some other deal (yet to be decided - better be fast!)
9d Have another referendum on some as yet undecided question
9e Have a general election.
The 'will of the people' means nothing because Parliament makes decisions. The decisions are made on detail not on direction.

[YamFazFan]

So Parliament will not vote in favour of 'Deal'.


Parliament will also not vote in favour of 'No Deal'.


If there's a second referendum and Leave win again we're back to where we are now, with Parliament refusing to pass any leave deal.


If Remain win a second referendum we stay in The EU.


In other words, despite Leave having won the biggest vote in history the only conclusion that Parliament will accept is remain.


That's supposed to be democracy is it?.




That's it, I'm finished with this thread and I'm never voting again.

[mtread]

What about 9c? Leave but with a better deal that's acceptable to the majority of Parliament. Norway +, Customs Union with a bit of Single Market + registration system for EU workers, or something like that.


Don't give up yet! 

[YamFazFan]

Labour will just oppose anything she proposes for the sake of it. It makes me fed up now. The Speaker annoyed me on Wednesday also. It's so blatant.


Hang on I'm not supposed to be posting again :'(

[Oldgit]

MP's sack the friggin lot of them, the self serving Knuts that they are.

[agricola]

There is no such thing as NO DEAL. We take up where we left off before we joined

[fazersharp]

There's a general election. The Conservatives split lead by Boris.
  Boris wins and is PM and we have a clean break from the EU

• Nigel becomes Lord and joins the government as foreign secretary.
  
• Tommy joins the government as Sir TRSCYL as Home secretary
  
• Martin Lewis becomes chancellor
  
• Dr Christian Jessen Health minster. ( the gay doctor on tv) I had to google his name by typing "gay doctor on tv"
  
• I will become transport minister and ban all cars - except for the one I have (when its raining - or damp)
  
• VNA becomes the PM of scotland and offers a referendum to the WHOLE of the UK for scotland to split with the UK
  
• scotland votes to remain in the UK and the UK votes to kick scotland out
  
• scotland rejoins the EU
  
• The uk once again enjoys bendy bananas
  
• scotland are forced to eat straight bananas
  

 

[VNA]

There is no such thing as NO DEAL. We take up where we left off before we joined

Sure, no problem, and a 1970's UK economy is what you'll end up with.

[VNA]

If there's a second referendum and Leave win again we're back to where we are now, with Parliament refusing to pass any leave deal.

No, no, no, no. >: >: >:


You are not paying attention Mr Fan. :rolleyes


Firstly, we do not know yet if there will be a second referendum.  But what was not so long ago thought to be highly unlikely is now a strong possibility.


Secondly, if there is, then the question needs to be decided on.  That will not be easy.


Thirdly, Not much mention of this yet, but logically, and I’d put good money on this being the case if there were to be a second referendum, whatever the question the referendum needs to be legally binding, as apposed to the 2016 referendum which was a consultative referendum. 

Labour will just oppose anything she proposes for the sake of it. It makes me fed up now. The Speaker annoyed me on Wednesday also. It's so blatant.

Not so.  She hasn’t come to the table with anything that Labour can support.  And as a minority government (as she lost her majority in her snap general election) rather than bring others in (ie consult with or appoint opposition party members to a BREXIT committee or whatever) she went to the other extreme and tried to by-pass parliament altogether.  Now she is paying the price.



And pay attention to mtread Mr Fan – Labour will do a deal.

[mtread]

Labour will just oppose anything she proposes for the sake of it.

9c is actually Labour's current proposal. She opposes it (at the moment)

[mtread]

There's a general election. The Conservatives split lead by Boris.  Boris wins and is PM and we have a clean break from the EU

• Nigel becomes Lord and joins the government as foreign secretary.
• Tommy joins the government as Sir TRSCYL as Home secretary
• Martin Lewis becomes chancellor
• Dr Christian Jessen Health minster. ( the gay doctor on tv) I had to google his name by typing "gay doctor on tv"
• I will become transport minister and ban all cars - except for the one I have (when its raining - or damp)
• VNA becomes the PM of scotland and offers a referendum to the WHOLE of the UK for scotland to split with the UK
• scotland votes to remain in the UK and the UK votes to kick scotland out
• scotland rejoins the EU
• The uk once again enjoys bendy bananas
• scotland are forced to eat straight bananas[li][/l][/l]

Like it  :lol

[johnakay]

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