BREXIT

[fazersharp]

Also the EU has just told Italy to redo their budget because the EU did not like it.

[dazza]

Many in the Remain camp claim that leaving the EU is simply a xenophobic excuse for closing borders and stopping immigration. But while the EU offers free movement to those within its borders, those outside are treated brutally. According to the [color=rgb(201, 33, 33)]Overseas Development Institute[/color], Europe spent over €17 billion to curb migration between 2014 and 2016. By far the largest chunk of money, €15.3 billion, was spent outside of Europe – in many cases paying off African dictators to keep black migrants Thousands of immigrants have perished trying to cross into Europe illegally. More than [color=rgb(201, 33, 33)][/size]2,500 people[/color][/size] died trying to cross the Mediterranean between January and May this year, according to the United Nations refugee agency. During the same period last year, 1,855 people died. This is the direct result of a migration policy that is not only restrictive, but openly discriminatory.

[YamFazFan]

EU officials are not shy about letting EU citizens know what they really think of them. Following the Brexit vote, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker rejected British Leave voters’ capacity for independent thought by claiming we’d been brainwashed by ‘40 years of lies’. According to Juncker, the vote showed ‘something was wrong in Britain’. It has similarly libelled French, Irish and Dutch people as ‘ignorant’ when they voted against EU treaties.

That's what I really detest about the EU. No 'dissent' is allowed. No other opinion is entertained. If you don't agree and accept the EU's way you must be stark raving mad or brainwashed. The EU cannot be wrong.It gives me the creeps :thumbdown

[dazza]

Not only has the EU wrecked the economies of its own member states, Africa gets it in the neck, too. The EU’s Common Agricultural Policy provides subsidies for the EU’s biggest landowners. This means the EU can export heavily subsidised food into Africa, ruining local trade for farmers who have to compete with the low prices. Meanwhile, EU restrictions on imports cost African countries millions.
As Brian Denny, spokesman for Trade Unionists Against the EU, has [color=rgb(201, 33, 33)][/size]noted[/color][/size]: ‘Mozambique loses more than £100million a year because of restrictions on importing into the EU, coupled with the dumping of cheap exports at its door, while many thousands of workers in Swaziland have lost their jobs because the local industry cannot compete.’

[YamFazFan]

Blimey go for it dazza, you're on a roll tonight :lol

[fazersharp]

Allegedly, someone has called Anna Soubry a Nartzee, or called her Narsty. Either way, wouldn't one have thought that ones MPs were up for a little name calling? Sticks and stones and all that. Bit over the top to demand the old bill calls out more men on overtime, or pulls them away from crime investigations. I'm sure they could have treated her the same as the rest of us plebs, and given her a crime number.

Wasn't it her Government who cut the police. Bercow - gets on the blower to the commissioner and loads of police appear.
It looked just like the way that the MPs behave at question time - didn't one of them call someone "a stupid woman". If they want better behaviour from the public then they should show the example in the commons. Funny, I saw sky news reporting on it - followed by a feature of one of their reporters doing exactly the same thing to another MP.       

Anyone remember when she was a tv presenter in the east midlands, she did lots of those Friday night audience shout fest things 

[dazza]

Neil Kinnock lost two elections as Labour leader from 1983 to 1992, stepping down after the party’s fourth consecutive election defeat. Having finally come to terms with his lack of appeal to the electorate, he took the next logical step: the unelected position of European commissioner for transport in 1995. The EU, temple of anti-democracy, will always provide a home for unpopular politicians.

[VNA]

Jean-Claude Juncker became EC president one year after being more or less forced to resign from his position as president of Luxembourg, following a spying scandal involving the country’s intelligence service. In any country this would usually be considered the point at which your political career dies a quiet death. But the EU welcomed him aboard.

He was cleared of any wrongdoing.  He was strongly criticised for focusing on his European work and neglecting his presidency in Luxembourg.

In 2006, the elected prime minister of Slovakia was instructed by Brussels to clamp down on political extremism and repress certain ways of thinking. That same year, the prime minister of Poland was forced by Brussels to declare that his government was not homophobic or anti-Semitic, and that it would not bring back the death penalty. And in 2011, the EU pressured the Hungarian government into rethinking its new constitution.

Too dam right.

The new succession countries were well aware of the high standards expected of them on joining the EU.  The EU does not tolerate racism, fascism, homophobia, anti-Semitism and so on.  You join the club you have to abide by the rules.  All these countries willingly joined the EU, all continue to enjoy EU membership.

The EU’s risk-averse regulations are the scourge of innovation – and many are downright barmy. The price of oven gloves shot up this year after EU officials decided they would impose rigorous testing to ensure that they could withstand temperatures of up to 200 degrees centigrade. In 2010, EU officials suggested banning diabetics from driving. Luckily, this ridiculous rule was never enforced.

Goodness gracious me, CE marked oven gloves that actually work :lol – why would anybody object.  My understanding of the diabetics issue was that it was partly about UK MEPs trying to get the EU to raise the basic EU driving standards up to the full UK standard.  In the UK diabetics who repeatedly hypo (ie their diabetes is not under control can have their licenses withdrawn.

When it comes to ignoring the democratic will of its member states, the EU has form. Its rejection of the Greek No vote in 2015 is just the tip of the iceberg. After Ireland voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty in 2008 it was forced to vote again. Under heavy pressure and borderline financial blackmail, it voted to wave it through the following year. This was the second time the Irish had been forced into a do-over. In 2002, a second referendum was held on the Treaty of Nice, after it was originally rejected in 2001. In 2005, the French rejected the EU Constitution, which was then promptly rebranded the Lisbon Treaty and pushed through the French parliament in 2009 by then president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Lets hope we too get the opportunity to vote again.  Now that people can see what BREXIT is about, they surely must be given the opportunity to change their minds.

European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker rejected British Leave voters’ capacity for independent thought by claiming we’d been brainwashed by ‘40 years of lies’. According to Juncker, the vote showed ‘something was wrong in Britain’.

Millions of people in the UK agree with him.  And here you are Dazza spreading lie after lie.

Many in the Remain camp claim that leaving the EU is simply a xenophobic excuse for closing borders and stopping immigration.

Most REMAINERS are well aware that it will make no difference to immigration.  Which begs the question of why the LEAVE campaigns campaigned on immigration.  More lies.  It’s not an issue. 

Africa gets it in the neck,

It’s not surprising considering that that is the tradition of many of the EU members (particulary the UK).  Not to mention the G8 (now the G7) as well.  The EPA deals need to be re-negotiated with certain African, Caribbean and Pacific state. 

Having finally come to terms with his lack of appeal to the electorate, he took the next logical step: the unelected position of European commissioner for transport in 1995. The EU, temple of anti-democracy, will always provide a home for unpopular politicians.

Mr Kinnock was appointed to his position by the then Prime Minister - John Major

[VNA]

Will I add the right to have oven gloves that don't work to the list? :lol

[VNA]

It was out of order the way they were hauranging her. It was akin to intimidation.

I totally agree YanFazFan.   A nobody, trying to become somebody, called James Goddard is the ring leader.  I believe they are associates of Dazza’s hero.


I’ve seen the footage.  They were extremely intimidating.  They harassed a number of people that day.


There were police present but standing back.  However, I think their plan is to get arrested.  So Goddard and pals are trying to get arrested, whilst the police are trying not to arrest them.


Probably the short term solution is more police in the area to shadow them, reassure MP’s, members of the press and public, and until they get bored or arrested if they go way too far.  But yeah they are absolute fucking scum.



Meanwhile Facebook and PayPal have closed Goddard’s accounts.

[VNA]

[YamFazFan]

What annoys me is that those idiots harm the cause that they purport to be supporting.


The vast majority of Leavers want nothing to do with that sort of behaviour. They're not representative of the Leave camp.

[VNA]

What annoys me is that those idiots harm the cause that they purport to be supporting.

They are football hooligans.  They don't care.  They have found a new game.  They are trying to get arrested, so they can scream that the establishment are trying to silence them, that’s it’s an attack on freedom of speech.  Blah, blah, blah.

This is some of their own footage, from a previous encounter, of which they are proud of.  Well deserving of arrest. 
I love how they ask her questions but shout her down before she can answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mppVchHyaiA

[YamFazFan]

Daft. Plain daft. Like I say, they're not representative of Leave.

[mtread]

Meanwhile Facebook and PayPal have closed Goddard’s accounts.

And the poor little snowflake doesn't like it  :lol

[mtread]

Excellent vote tonight. Another step closer to stopping No Deal 

[dazza]

What annoys me is that those idiots harm the cause that they purport to be supporting.


The vast majority of Leavers want nothing to do with that sort of behaviour. They're not representative of the Leave camp.

I totally agree with this.
Whether it's this bunch of goons or Tommy Robinson supporters who don't know how to conduct themselves, they only do harm to a valid point or argument.


It's the same when the anti fascist use violence and refuse to allow a protest they don't agree with.  Or left wingers and liberals constantly calling people racists and fascists because they're repeating what some fuckwit lefty has said on MSM.
It's all pathetic and as I said at the start, I don't agree with everything certain people say and do but if they're telling the truth, you have to accept that.
Sometimes the worst/or best thing the establishment can do (depending on who's side you looking at it from)
is attempt to silence someone.
Haven't they learnt.
What happens when they try and ban a record with lyrics they don't approve of.....it's a sure fire way to make it a no1 hit.


The only thing I will say...and it's not a defence of any intimidating behaviour.
Many other political figures have suffered real threats and intimidation and nothings ever been done about it.
All of a sudden, it got close to home and shits just got real.
It's an inevitable consequence of people feeling that the democratic structure is not being respected.
That said, I certainly don't approve.

You can always rely on Scotland being civilized and welcoming though. :rolleyes


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_f...2093982367

[YamFazFan]

Yes there's disgraceful behaviour on the Remain side. They haven't come out of all this with a lot of credibility.

[fazersharp]

VNA I followed your utube link and ended up finding something interesting. I do not agree with the yobish behaviour but why would She take the same route as before after coming off the bbc stage knowing what happened last time, I think the idiots fell right into an orchestrated trap designed so it could be an excuse to call in extra police and shut down the protesters.Here is the utube link. What do you lot make of it.    Sorry...
And twitter https://twitter.com/PrinceBraith9th/stat...9653408770

[VNA]

You can always rely on Scotland being civilized and welcoming though. :rolleyes

Indeed, your hero has attempted a number of trips north of the border recently.  His last plan was to attend a Hearts match.  He wanted to pay respect, apparently, to McCrea’s Battalion.  He had already posted a photo on his facebook page of some 30 fans posing in front of a McCrea’s Battalion banner wearing masks of his face.  This absolutely outraged the vast majority of decent supporters.


He cancelled his trip.  I understand he was advised to do so by the police.