BREXIT

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How much of a "say" does the UK actually have in anything EU related anyway.

As has already been pointed out, our MEP's proportionally have as much say as any other EU state. You don't join a club and expect to write all the rules.

unfortunately the majority don't share your belief in this dysfunctional bureaucracy,

Well 37% of the electorate didn't 2 and a half years ago, after being lied to and subject to an illegal campaign.

[fazersharp]

[size=1em] How much of a "say" does the UK actually have in anything EU related anyway.[/size]

[size=1em]As has already been pointed out, our MEP's proportionally have as much say as any other EU state. You don't join a club and expect to write all the rules.[/size]

So our sphere of influence and the famous "say" in the EU is 1/28th.
Cam-moron showed us just how much influence the UK has when he went with a begging bowl asking for some scraps to give to the British public to try and prevent a referendum when even armed with the threat of a referendum they told him to "Va te faire foutre".
And VNA - no need to reply with the usual boring mantra that it was all about the Tories.

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=tommyardin link=topic=24678.msg290030#msg290030 date=1546695017]
I was a remainer and still am,
[size=1em]All you leavers can go fuck yourselves! [/size]

A very helpful and thought provoking enlightened intelligent post. Thank you.
[/quote]


If most of the previous ones are anything to go by, what did you expect? :rolleyes

[mtread]

So our sphere of influence and the famous "say" in the EU is 1/28th.

Nope, much better than that

[mtread]

Actually I'll correct that. We've only had 72. Farage could hardly be bothered to turn up, despite being paid.

[fazersharp]

So our sphere of influence and the famous "say" in the EU is 1/28th.

Nope, much better than that

So how does that fit with your statement

our MEP's proportionally have as much say as any other EU state.

So now you are trying to say we get more of a say. You really are confused. And if we do have so much of a say -as you say we have then how did that help cam-moron and just look how well May is getting on, they just spit at her and call her "nebulas" .The "we have a say" is vastly overestimated and always gets rolled out as a reason to stay. 

[mtread]

So how does that fit with your statement [/size]

Quoteour MEP's proportionally have as much say as any other EU state.

So now you are trying to say we get more of a say. You really are confused.

Look it's quite simple. Let me do the arithmetic for you  :rolleyes
You said 'our' (by that I assume you mean the UK) say was 1/28th, which is about 3.5%.
I pointed out we have 73MEPs out of 751 in total, which is about 9.7%.
9.7 is more than 3.5.
But each individual UK MEP has as much say as any other MEP. Apart from Nigel of course.
QED 

[fazersharp]

So our much touted "say" in the EU that will be disastrous to loose if we leave amounts to 9.7%.  :rolleyes

[YamFazFan]

[size=1em] unfortunately the majority don't share your belief in this dysfunctional bureaucracy, [/size]

[size=1em]Well 37% of the electorate didn't 2 and a half years ago, after being lied to and subject to an illegal campaign.
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Which of course is to imply that this minority of the electorate have unfairly imposed their will over everyone else :rolleyes
If Remain had won by the same margin there wouldn't be any such griping you can bet your bottom dollar on that
The turnout was 72.2%. That was huge. If 27.8% of those eligible to vote can't be bothered to walk down to their village hall and put a cross in a box that's their choice. They are clearly happy to let the rest of us to decide for them. Remainers often try to include those who didn't vote in their statistics in order to give them a false boost.

[VNA]

Its a big red herring to keep repeating the mantra that whilst out we will loose our "say" in the EU. How much of a "say" does the UK actually have in anything EU related anyway.And the point of being out is that just like the rest of the world WE will be able to decide on our own standards that are fit for our own purpose and if an EU one is fit for our purpose then we will use that. Why is that so bad.

I think maybe this comes back to the English imperialistic thinking.  Where everything is seen as a potential battle, an all or nothing mentality – we rule(d) the world – victory at all costs - what? what?
Whereas the reality is the EU is economic union in which all have a say and agreement is reached by consensus.  (one wonders if consensus really is in the English dictionary).
I don’t think we will ever get through to you fazersharp the near miracle of 28 sovereign states trading as one.  The phenomenal savings that result in this creation.  Not to mention the idea of the UK setting it’s own standards, well in today’s modern world that generally is just is not going  happen.
The EU accounts for 25% of global GDP.  And of course we get a further 50 free trade agreements via the EU.  You quite literally have to almost be completely and utterly mad to walk away from that.  Or at least very rich.  Sadly I'm not rich - are you?

So our much touted "say" in the EU that will be disastrous to loose if we leave amounts to 9.7%.  :rolleyes

Aside from that is not how the EU operates, if you wish to view it as crudely as that, it goes from 100% :eek to 0% :eek because we have a veto. :eek

[VNA]

Don't drop in this thread very often even though started it as a p*ss take of 2 certain members. We are now 52 pages in and for the last 30 or so pages they have not said any thing new or sensible. Will drop in again after another 10/20 pages see if they have found something more sensible to say or some cartoons that are remotely amusing. All the best for the new year as a free independent nation. again.

It's your thread Steve.
Not only that it might just turn out to be the most popular thread of 2019 on foc-u.
So yeah - foc-u mate :lol

[VNA]

I have just been reading through the whole post again,

Confirmation, if any was ever needed, that yardin is indeed 100% insane. :lol

I personally think that Mrs May is doing a great job with the whole crock of shit that she inherited, she herself was not a leaver but has had to accept what the general idiots populace of this country asked for

I tend to agree with you – to some extent – the country ask the government to do something very stupid – and May is indeed acting accordingly.  As Mr Corbyn said - stupid woman :eek 

very best with a bunch of fucking wankers in both parties trying their very best to scupper the process and also assassinate her in the process.

But I’ll disagree with that bit.  I mean really :rolleyes  It’s the not the job of opposing parties to do the work of the government.  This should have potentially been nipped in the bud almost two years ago.  Labour should have stood it’s ground and moved to vote down article 50. 

We could potentially have avoided this whole mess.

All you leavers can go fuck yourselves!

I have been trying to get them to see sense.  Get them back on board.  But yeah OK.


My country voted decisively to REMAIN.  I expect The Scottish Parliament and our Scottish MPs at Westminster to do everything within their power to stop this BREXIT madness.

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So our much touted "say" in the EU that will be disastrous to loose if we leave amounts to 9.7%.

Well you suggested it was only 3.5%. As said, the idea of a 'Union' is that no one member gets to decide all the rules.

[mtread]

Which of course is to imply that this minority of the electorate have unfairly imposed their will over everyone else If Remain had won by the same margin there wouldn't be any such griping you can bet your bottom dollar on that  The turnout was 72.2%. That was huge. If 27.8% of those eligible to vote can't be bothered to walk down to their village hall and put a cross in a box that's their choice. They are clearly happy to let the rest of us to decide for them. Remainers often try to include those who didn't vote in their statistics in order to give them a false boost.

Just pointing out that the majority of the electorate didn't vote 'not to share our belief in this dysfunctional bureaucracy'
Anyway, notice you haven't challenged the bit about lies and illegality. They may well have affected the result.
Therefore, time to vote again 

[dazza]

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[YamFazFan]

Which of course is to imply that this minority of the electorate have unfairly imposed their will over everyone else If Remain had won by the same margin there wouldn't be any such griping you can bet your bottom dollar on that  The turnout was 72.2%. That was huge. If 27.8% of those eligible to vote can't be bothered to walk down to their village hall and put a cross in a box that's their choice. They are clearly happy to let the rest of us to decide for them. Remainers often try to include those who didn't vote in their statistics in order to give them a false boost.

Just pointing out that the majority of the electorate didn't vote 'not to share our belief in this dysfunctional bureaucracy'
Anyway, notice you haven't challenged the bit about lies and illegality. They may well have affected the result.
Therefore, time to vote again 

In how many refrendums/elections do the victors receive the votes of over 50% of those eligible to vote?.

[YamFazFan]

Using the EU referendum as an exemplar there's 3 ways of looking at the result. The first one is the only accurate, representative figure. Remain like to use either 2) or 3) in order to misrepresent the truth and 'bolster' their case.

1) The Remain/Leave vote share based on those who actually took part in the vote (the commonly quoted 52%/48%).
2) The Leave vote share based on those who were eligible to vote.
3) The Leave vote share based on the population as a whole.

[VNA]

Northern Ireland Voted to REMAIN
    Leave  44.2%  349,442 VOTES    Remain 55.8%  440,707 VOTES

Scotland Voted to REMAIN
    Leave  38.0%  1,018,322 VOTES    Remain 62.0%  1,661,191 VOTES

Two out of the four countried in this union clearly voted to REMAIN.    What about their voice in this union.
     

[VNA]

[tommyardin]

I have just been reading through the whole post again,

Confirmation, if any was ever needed, that yardin is indeed 100% insane. :lol

I personally think that Mrs May is doing a great job with the whole crock of shit that she inherited, she herself was not a leaver but has had to accept what the general idiots populace of this country asked for

I tend to agree with you – to some extent – the country ask the government to do something very stupid – and May is indeed acting accordingly.  As Mr Corbyn said - stupid woman :eek 

very best with a bunch of fucking wankers in both parties trying their very best to scupper the process and also assassinate her in the process.

But I’ll disagree with that bit.  I mean really :rolleyes  It’s the not the job of opposing parties to do the work of the government.  This should have potentially been nipped in the bud almost two years ago.  Labour should have stood it’s ground and moved to vote down article 50. 

We could potentially have avoided this whole mess.

All you leavers can go fuck yourselves!

I have been trying to get them to see sense.  Get them back on board.  But yeah OK.


My country voted decisively to REMAIN.  I expect The Scottish Parliament and our Scottish MPs at Westminster to do everything within their power to stop this BREXIT madness.

Well it's good to know that there is a smidgen of consensus between us, but I am not going to dwell on it.


I should have edited my post as there was something that I think (On reflection) was not thoroughly thought out, and therefore was erroneous, that was the bit about the leavers fucking themselves, in fact I think they might have fucked us all.


I would urge some of the readers and posters not to take this banter to seriously, because that is what a lot of it is banter as i am always looking for a response, and my goodness the baited hook certainly gets some bites, you see the float bobbing and disappearing all the time.  :pokefun
I honestly think that a few in here would not last 5 minutes working with a gang of brickies or ground workers, no sense of humour and take themselves all to seriously.


Especially ole Coco the Clown, I think you know who you are  :pokefun [size=1em]chill a bit FFS. [/size][size=1em]The forum is meant to be fun and a crack. [/size][size=1em]There are a lot of good and helpful posts that informative, I have been helped on a number of occasions with advice about suspension and speed sensors and the front sprocket and upgrade nut and the like, also, biker clothing and skid lids, but I am not expecting the hairy arsed bikers in here to sort out the detail of Brexit FFS, we cant even agree on what the best tyre is or who manufactures the best braided brake lines. [/size] :finger