BREXIT

[mtread]

im avoiding the news until we are (hopefully) out.....

Stick January 14th in your diary. Worth another look then.

[ogri48]

will do mate..

[VNA]

im avoiding the news until we are (hopefully) out.....

See my post 1211 for my prediction on what will happen next.
But basically I think parliament will realise agreeing a deal is not possible, because every possibe deal is worse than staying in and NO DEAL is not worth even thinking about.
So by the end of 2019, one way or another, article 50 will be cancelled. 

[dazza]

It's more complicated than that. At the moment food on lorries from France goes through unchecked roll on/roll off the ferries. After we leave (without a deal) all lorries will need export/import paperwork and will require checks. There will be continuous delays on both sides of the channel. Perishable food perishes. European suppliers will find other markets for their goods to avoid the hassle.
Good job we've got turnips 

This is what frustrates me.
If our government was serious, there would be greenhouses sprouting up all over the country to provide us with our perishable foods all year round.
There really is no need to rely on Spanish tomatoes, peppers or cucumbers when we grow them here in Kent.
This also sends out a clear message to the EU that we are serious and prepared to become as self sufficient as possible
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For any normal people....
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[ogri48]

once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success. sadly, hes a politician, so we all knew that wasn't going to happen. im just hoping against hope that whatever else happens, we still get out. everything is sortable from that point

[VNA]

once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success.

But the problem is the vast majority of economists are all in agreement.  That is that there is no deal that is better than the deal we have right now.

This is just a decades old obsession of the Tory party.  It started off about the Tory party, and with a soon to be deadlocked government we will shortly be able to see that all still about the Tory party.

Meanwhile while the UK obsesses over trying to do something very stupid, and can get nothing else done, well the rest of the world is going to leave us behind.

[mtread]

once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success. sadly, hes a politician, so we all knew that wasn't going to happen. im just hoping against hope that whatever else happens, we still get out. everything is sortable from that point

Do you know I agree with everything you've said, even as a Remainer.


I think we end up leaving, but joining EFTA /Single Market. Or doing an individual deal with the EU that very closely matches that plus some immigration /residency concessions. Not my preferred option, but it fits with 'Leave' and at the same time protects UK exporters and solves the Irish Border.

[ogri48]

blimey mate...

[VNA]

I think we end up leaving, but joining EFTA /Single Market. Or doing an individual deal with the EU that very closely matches that plus some immigration /residency concessions. Not my preferred option, but it fits with 'Leave' and at the same time protects UK exporters and solves the Irish Border.

It might respect the Good Friday agreement but it’s never going to fully satisfy the two countries in this Union that voted to REMAIN.


Further the fact is that all it achieves is that we become a rule taker, as opposed to a rule maker.  We would have to give up sovereignty.

The BREXITEERS, who were for this during the campaign, now turn it on their head and jump on that simple fact.  So you just end up in the same log jam.


I don’t know what the immigration /residency concessions would be as freedom of movement is in fact a non-issue.

[VNA]

Which of course is why May called a general election.  Though she had a working majority she knew the reality was we were heading towards log jam.  She thought with Corbyn now the Labour leader she could wipe out Labour and win a landslide majority big enough not to have to worry about extreme right-wing fruitcakes in the party.  But it went tits up.


She then tried to go all presidential on us by attempting to bypass parliament, but that failed too.


We are stuck. 

[mtread]

It might respect the Good Friday agreement but it’s never going to fully satisfy the two countries in this Union that voted to REMAIN.
Further the fact is that all it achieves is that we become a rule taker, as opposed to a rule maker.  We would have to give up sovereignty.The BREXITEERS, who were for this during the campaign, now turn it on their head and jump on that simple fact.  So you just end up in the same log jam.
I don’t know what the immigration /residency concessions would be as freedom of movement is in fact a non-issue.

It won't satisfy lots of people on all sides and in all configurations. Nothing will. It's a compromise. Yes we become a rule taker, but can exit any time in the future without going through this palaver. Freedom of movement would be part of the deal, but not indefinite residency.
As said, it's not what I want, but it's what I can see coming.

[agricola]

[quote author=mtread link=topic=24678.msg289803#msg289803 date=1546196873]
Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves  :z
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and the next one will be the lights going out

[YamFazFan]

[quote author=agricola link=topic=24678.msg289804#msg289804 date=1546197233]
[quote author=mtread link=topic=24678.msg289803#msg289803 date=1546196873]
Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves  :z
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and the next one will be the lights going out
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I've heard that the sky is going to fall in over the UK.


Mind you, if the Remainers project fear doesn't manage to reverse Brexit they'll be hoping it does fall down after the end of March so that they can be 'proved right'

[mtread]

I think it's 'Project Fear' vs 'Project Fantasy' - everything's going to be great  :lol

[mtread]

Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread,  I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened  :wall  And I haven't even started drinking yet!

[VNA]

Like I say I don't think pariament will be able to agree a deal.
Parliament will not accept NO DEAL.
Therefore we REMAIN in the EU.
By this time next year it will all be over.

[VNA]

Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread,  I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened  [img alt=:wall]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wall.gif[/img]  And I haven't even started drinking yet!

I wouldn't worry about it.
The only thing we can be sure about in all this, is that there is nothing we can be sure about.

I've put some money on we REMAIN in the EU.  Putting aside that's what I'd like to see, I genuinely believe it's the most likely outcome.
The least likely outcome is NO DEAL.
And there's a fair chance of absolutely anything inbetween.

[YamFazFan]

Incidentally, when I agreed with Ogri48 earlier in the thread,  I had what's now known as a 'YamFazFan moment'. Don't know how that happened  :wall  And I haven't even started drinking yet!

Yes been there, done that, got the T-shirt :lol

[VNA]

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